Before I start getting bids on a home project I wanted to get the
opinion of the group.
When putting rock over plaster is there anything I should be aware of
that could make the job harder or not as smooth? Should firring strips
be used on the plaster prior to the rock being placed?
First a couple of questions... How bad a shape is the plaster you plan
on going over? Is it falling off the walls and ceiling? Places where the
plaster has fallen off ? Loose lathes? Ect??? One thing to remember that
almost all homeowners don't realize is you will lose most of your reveal on
your window trim , door trim and crown molding ,ect. and will need to move
outlet boxes and light fixtures out 1/2 inch. Although messy it's best to
remove plaster especially on the ceiling . All that old plaster weighs ALOT
and you can NEVER get the sheetrock to suck the old plaster back up on the
ceiling. The sags will remain. Removing it gives you a chance to insulate
and upgrade wiring as well which is USUALLY what I recomend unless it is in
good shape than I recommend repairing plaster with buttons and Durabond and
skimming walls-ceilings with Joint Compound. Pictures would help...
One thing I forgot to mention. Old house, built in 1933, only 780
sq.ft. Solid redwood throughout. Came through the Loma Preata
earthquake with just a few cracks in the plaster.
85% of the plaster is ok, just minor cracks that can be fixed easily.
One room has some sagging plaster (about 2' square) from an old leaky
roof (now fixed). Also has popcorn on the roof.
I plan on removing all the trim around the doors and windows anyway, and
installing crown moulding (none now).
Insulating is not an issue nor is electrical which was done a couple of
I remember what a mess it was when my kitchen and bathroom were remodled
and they did remove all the old lath and plaster.
All in all, I would say that the plaster is in good shape so maybe i'm
better off just haveing it repaired and then painted.
Thanks for your valuable input. Appreciate it.
Repair cracks with Plaster Buttons and 2 inch drywall screws into studs
not just the lathes.. Use Sheetrock Brand Durabond and either paper tape or
mesh tape. I like paper as it covers easier. Skimcoat the walls with a
couple of coats of joint compound then sand it. Use Binz-Kilz primer on any
yellowing. or water stains that bleed through mud and then prime everything.
That ceiling spot that's sagging will need to be cut out square and
patched with 3/8 drywall.Tape with Durabond and finish with joint compound.
If it were me I would scrape all that popcorn off and skimcoat ceilings with
joint compound as it will be impossible to hide the patch otherwise. Good
Luck with your project...
Here's an alternate suggestion on how to do the repairs: don't skim
coat with joint compound. IMHO, one of the benefits of plaster is
that it is harder than drywall and joint compound.
For linear cracks in plaster, gouge them out a little to remove any
loose materials and provide a key for the repair. Dampen the edges of
the crack and fill it with a finish or topcoat plaster such as a
veneer plaster. For really large cracks, first fill the bulk with an
aggregated plaster, e.g. a perlited plaster like Struct-o-Lite, then
apply a thin layer of topcoat plaster.
For delaminated sections, if you have access to the backside, you can
use an adhesive to readhere the plaster to the lath, and then repair
any cracks as above. Otherwise, for small sections (a few square
feet), you could remove the delaminated plaster leaving the lath,
apply a basecoat of the Struct-o-Lite to the lath, and then topcoat.
For larger repairs, remove the plaster and lath, fur out the walls to
within 5/8" of the finish surface, apply 1/2" veneer plasterboard base
(blueboard), and then apply an 1/8" layer of veneer plaster,
feathering it out to meet the surrounding area.
Bullshit. Plaster is not "twice as messy and twice as expensive". There
is far less, if any sanding required with plaster and in my area plaster
runs about 15% more than drywall. IMO it's a much better finished
product and well worth the extra cost.
Really??? Ever hear of a Portercable Drywall Powersander with tool
activated Portercable Shopvac? Gets about 90% of dust. Been using them for 5
years. Welcome to the 21st century... Only have to sand 1/2 inch of the
inside corners. Very little dust. Plaster on the other hand is VERY messy to
mix and washing mixing barrel and tools is messy as well... Ever TRY to
scrape plaster off ANYTHING???? Good luck with that. LOL ...The price of
plaster is about double around here.(Coastal Maine). A gallon of Bonding
Agent is 80 bucks or more and ALL the walls and ceilings will need to rolled
with it before any plastering can start. Plaster also takes longer to do
and you have to wait till it cures which is up to 3 weeks depending on
location in the house and time of year before you can paint it. Joint
compound can be painted as soon as it is sanded allowing painters to start
painting as soon as a couple of rooms are done. Plaster done right
(basecoat and finishcoat) is a better finished product especially in new
construction but the thread was about fixing a few cracks and skimcoating
OLD walls and ceilings and in my opinion the method I described is the best
choice for this job. I have NOTHING against plaster. The company I work for
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