We need some advice on trim for our new house. Please see a close-up
look at our front elevation so you know what I'm referring to...
We're wondering about the gable trim and the porch beam trim. What
material should we use? (preferably maintenance-free) And for the
gable trim, what dimensions?
Here's some additional information about the house...
Siding: Rollex sage green vinyl clapboard-style
Siding corners: Rollex white vinyl corner trim
Roof fascia and soffit: white aluminum
Window trim: Fypon for top trim and Azek vinyl trim boards for sides
and bottoms, all painted white
Porch columns: HB&G 8" square composite columns painted white
Porch railing system: HB&G PVC white railing and ballusters
So where does the gable trim and porch beam trim fit into this?
Regarding the gable trim, the guy who drew up our plans penciled in
"5-in. lineal." Is that a good width? (The fascia is 6" and our
window trim is 3-1/2" lineal.) What material would look good wedged
between the sage green vinyl and the white aluminum soffit? I was
thinking white aluminum like the fascia and soffit material, but how
would that be done to avoid a wavy, rippled-looking vinyl-wrapped board
Regarding the porch beams, I know they're going to be 8" tall and wide,
but what material? Again, since the fascia and soffit are white
aluminum, maybe white aluminum would look best? If so, how would that
be built? ...just with lumber and then wrapped with aluminum? Again,
I'd like to avoid that wavy, rippled vinyl-wrapped wood look if there's
risk of that when using aluminum. ...maybe clad in white vnyl Azek
boards? Any ideas?
Our builder does not have a strong opinion on these issues, and he's
asking us what we want--I think because he knows we're picky. So I'm
trying to do some research and find out what would look best combined
with the other materials we're using. All feedback is greatly
Once more to the well, eh?
To summarize: you're picky (can't think of a worse combination than
picky and indecisive), your wife doesn't care, and you're being
indecisive about something as personal as color selection. I'm sorry,
you're right - asking random people about what they'd like on your
house makes perfect sense.
Why don't you just go buy into a nice condo association or gated
community where all of the decisions can be made for you? Wouldn't
that be a huge relief? I know it would be for me.
You really need to get some help. We're hanging out asking questions
and (some) providing answers, and you're just lurking around, waiting
for an opportunity to make negative comments, not to mention the
stalker aspect of your harrassment in that you target specific people
and follow their posts across multiple newsgroups in order to harrass
them. Yours is classic sociopathic behavior. Kind of funny. Sad for
By the way, I wasn't asking for color advice. I was asking for
technical advice on what products/materials to use. You would have
realized that if you had read my post closely, but you were too busy
stalking some anonymous dude in a Usenet discussion group. Next time
why don't you just wack-off first. You might find that the urge to
stalk is diminished, until the next time at least.
Hey, I can't help you. Up here, the answer to everything is coil
stock. You can get it any color that the contractor has with him
(which is only white). I mean, come on, look at the guys putting
garage roof on next door. You think they go for any hi-tech options?
Big ole coil of aluminum that siding contractors carry with them for
cover EVERYTHING that they can't figure out how to put vinyl on. Used
for "trim" on windows, posts, doors, and just about else that'll take a
I'm an Internet marketing professional by trade, and my hobbies include
information technology, music, movies, philosophy, disc golf, and
playing with my wife and kids. Based on that, am I supposed to know
what "coil stock" means? Is that what you're laughing about? If so,
do you laugh at your clients (assuming you have clients) when they ask
questions? If you do, I feel sorry for you and your small penis.
(It's a Freudian thing.)
You have some serious personality disorders, boy.
This is emphasized by your repeated mention of men's penis's.
Your contractor is having a field day with your stupid ass and you're too
dumb to even realize it.
Or maybe you do, and the relationship between you, the contractor and the
*dood that did the plans* is such that neither of them will address your
concerns anymore because they each are tired of your incessant whining, so
you are left to make yourself look even further like a baffoon in various
The contractor is gonna take your ass to the woodshed but good on closing
day, unless he sues you in court first. LOL
Some internet marketing professional, can't even copy/paste 2 words in
google to find the meaning. LOL
Incidently, buying and selling garage sale cast-oofs on Ebay is NOT internet
You're right about one thing though, your obsession about men's penis's IS a
freudian thing and no one knows this better than your Stepford wife.
You're done around these parts, stupid ass, move along, once again you've
worn out your welcome.
John, you need to look at catalogs from a siding distributor to get ideas.
There are hundreds of trim products that the guys at Home Depot never heard of.
Companies like Norandex/Reynolds make a lineal surround, either flat or fluted.
It looks like a 1x4 or 1x6 with a built-in channel along one edge to accept the
siding without needing a separate J-channel. It would work great in your
application, used to trim out a rake. Here is a link to their website, the
photo of the house on the page uses the 5 1/2" flat surround on a rake pretty
much like yours:
They don't have a good closeup, here is a link to some of my work that uses the
There are dozens of options for post cladding. I like Sherline's fluted column
cladding, it is a 4-piece system that snaps in place and includes finish
molding for the top and bottom. My Norandex distributor handles it. As for the
fascia around the porch, they can be wrapped in aluminum custom bent to the
contours. I like to finish the wrap against the ceiling of the porch by bending
the trim to snap over a board so no visible fasteners are inside the porch.
Here is a link to my porch, showing a fluted column and wrap-around trim
snapped over a 1x2 (the top of the column still needs the finish molding):
You need a creative trim guy. Here are a couple of things I like to do. One is
a ribbed fascia that looks much better than just a plain, flat fascia. It is
made using a Tapco Brake Buddy to mold the ribs.:
I like to fabricate a combination brick mold with built-in J for high end
work. I never use J-channel to frame windows and doors for my best work. Here
is a picture of the small ones I used on my house, it is also made with the
Brake Buddy and a half-dozen other bends:
Excellent information! I really appreciate all the links to photos.
You're very helpful. Much appreciated. I'm going to go through our
siding catalogs to find an appropriate product. I should be able to
find a Rollex product that will match our white corner trim.
Congratulations on your discovery. Opening the catalogs is an
_excellent_ place to start. I hear the internet has oodles of
information - free, too. I'm sure that will appeal to you.
People on these newsgroups took you to task for forging ahead
half-cocked on your own without hiring design help. Then,
miraculously, you divulged you were really working with an architect,
which makes your mention of the "the guy who drew up our plans" a
little odd. Now, instead of talking to "the guy who drew up our plans"
or your builder, you're asking for essentially random input.
No doubt if you're effusive in your thanks people will overlook the
fact that you're too cheap to hire someone to help with your
indecision. If you hadn't lied from the start about what you were
doing I wouldn't be busting your balls.
The fuckups you're experiencing are directly caused by your attempt to
learn architecture and construction while building your house. At the
end of the project, tally how much time you wasted, how much you had to
redesign or rework, and how much money you spent unnecessarily due to
your attempt to save a few bucks.
You shouldn't take the stuff I write too personally. I don't know who
you are or anything about you. Believe it or not, these newsgroups
aren't about you. Consider my feedback (you did say all feedback
welcome) a public service for those people that come after you and are
considering building a house without sufficient assistance. I hope
they'll search the newsgroups and be able to follow your project's ups
and downs. And I hope you emerge at the other end still married and
were able to contain your inevitable cost overruns to under 30%.
Your posts are filled with venom, silly assumptions about what I'm
doing with my project, and downright inaccurate comments about my
previous posts. Get a life, weirdo. Go participate in a discussion
group where you actually have some expertise to contribute, like
Actually, I'm enjoying the process, we're right on budget, and our
project is very econmical. I think, when it's finished, it will be
impressive what we've created with $240K. Yeah, I could spend $5K,
$10K, or $20K, on an architect and just leave everything up to them,
but I don't *WANT* to leave all the decisions up to others. We do have
our own personal tastes, after all. I think there is this
misconception by some that, if somone is not an expert in a particular
field, then they should just hand off all decision making to someone
that *is* an "expert." I disagree. The intelligent thing to do is to
do research, consult professionals, and then make good, intelligent
decisions. In some cases, I don't even know what the options are, but
that doesn't mean that I don't still want to make the decision; it just
means that I first need to find out what the options are, analyze them,
and make a decision, which is what I'm doing. I realize that this
approach is not in the best interests of certain underemployed mediocre
"architects," but I think that most truly good professional architects
would approve of my process, especially since we did pay an architect
to draw up our original plans which were based on a plan book/website
Yeah, I think our house is going to look and feel great, it's going to
be practical/economical, our marriage is stronger than ever, we're both
very well employed and in no danger of losing our jobs, and, in
general, I have no complaints. The only complaints seem to be coming
from a certain obsessed Usenet stalker who has absolutely nothing to do
with our situation. But that's okay, because it's our house, and all
that matter's is that *we* are happy with it. In the meantime, I
appreciate the input from those truly helpful folks who participate in
these discussion groups. Sometimes the answers are not what I'm hoping
for, but if they're objective and helpful answers, they're still
appreciated, and I can tell the difference.
Pierre Levesque, AIA wrote:
When we were building our new home we were *right on budget* right up until
we set down at the closing table and the law was laid down.
Everything costs more than it costs and takes longer than it takes. Fact.
The interior is 80%, where does the microwave go,
I want an extra freezer, what color is the toilet seat,
should it be padded? Not to mention the kitty litter
Lately, you drink a lot dear, we'll need a urinal,
in your _upstairs_ bedroom.
It's just beginning, I'm betting on John, he sounds
like a survivor.
Incureably Optimistically ;-)
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