Wot That Capitalism!?

Hey Don, check this out... I just came across it, and am in the middle of watching it (You Tube) and recommend you do too. Here are some quotes I copied for you from one of the parts. It's a pretty cool documentary so far, especially with its concepts that play into what we are discussing (and appropriate for alt.architecture too, what with its limestone plaster ;)...

"As villages grew bigger, there were more people to work on the land. More people could produce more food more efficiently-- enough to support specialists within the community. Freed from the burden of farming, some people were able to develop new skills-- and new technologies. Making plaster from limestone was a major technological breakthrough. The stones had to be heated for days at a time, at a temperature of a thousand degrees. It may seem insignificant today, but understanding how to work with fire was the first step toward forging steel, at technology that would transform the world... 'When I first went to New Guinea in the 1960's, people were still using stone tools, like this axe... So why didn't New Guinea develop metal tools by itself? And eventually, I realized that, to have metalworking specialists who can figure out how to smelt copper and iron, requires that the rest of the people in the society who are farmers be able to generate enough food surpluses to feed them. But New Guinea agriculture was not productive enough to generate those food surpluses. And the result was no specialists, no metal workers, no metal tools.' " ... "He [Jared Diamond] has developed a highly original theory; that what separates the winners from the losers is the land, itself; geography. It was the shape of the continents, their crops and animals, that allowed some cultures to flourish, while others were left behind." ~ From the documentary film, based on the book of the same name, 'Guns, Germs and Steel'

Have you ever seen it or read the book? I've come across Diamond before in the periphery of my research, but this stuff keys into and supports some things I've recently been looking closer at. It would seem that a new "glocal" (global/local) self-governing tribe, if it wants to have a good go at wresting control out of the 'hands of control' for freedom, would do well to know this kind of stuff inside- out.

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Warm Worm
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Farming doesn't require 24/7 attention, so other skills could develope right alongside the day to day responsibilities. In the regular farming cycle, May to Oct, there is a lot of boredom. Over on archive.org I downloaded a film from the early 40's that described how a "Victory Garden" was facilitated on a typical home property. This garden was approx 40'x40' and was maintained entirely by the 2 kids in the family, a girl about 15 and a boy about 12. No animals were used in the creation and maintenance of this garden and all of the tools were hand powered, shovels, rakes, hoes, etc. There was very little shown in this film about the adult supervision or teaching, it was assumed this was done in prior years I suppose. None the less, it showed was was possible in a family setting, as it had been done before. Can you imagine trying to get kids to do that these days?

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I see errors in this line of thinking. The presumption that food production alone is responsible for development. It gives no credit for personal achievement of the creative mind, which is reliant upon intelligence. Perhaps this strain of people were incapable of advancing beyond the level they had due to genetics or environment? There are still to this day civilizations that are in a very primitive state.

I've heard of it, but never read it. I found a version on a torrent site but didn't grab it.

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creative1986

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