Are you talking about apartments and tenants or big commercial rehabs,
I went through lead removal probably some kid was sucking on chinese
toys. The big issue is keep paint from peeling, peeling lead paint
gets ground up to dust, that is what inspectors usualy test in
apartments.
Uh, Pat isn't the one who wrote/passed that regulation...he is adressing
potential propblems arising out of the regulation. In what way is that
"out of touch with reality"?
No, it assumes most people don't get permits for DIY renovations to
begin with, and inspectors don't have the time or desire to go around
revoking occupancy over minor home renovations.
Seriously, go to one of the big box stores, look at all the water
heaters in stock, and tell me you honestly think most consumers take out
a permit to replace their own water heater.
Look at all the drywall, paint, and paneling in stock, and tell me you
honestly think most consumers get a permit to spruce up the pantry.
Unless this new rule is backed by substantial new enforcement funding,
it will join the long list of rules that are routinely ignored by
homeowners working on their own homes.
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Ever look into buying a house that turned out to have major renovation work
with no permit? What a mess - best to pass it by as fast as possible.
Frst, Pat had mentioned that the reg. applies to houses built prior to
1978. Second, painting a wall or tacking up some panelling is not
"renovation" - simple painting doesn't create dust from sawing, hammering,
relocating support beams, and so on. THe dust is what could carry old
layers of lead paint into the air. If a homeowner does somethign that
major withour a permit, uh, "bad things" can happen. You can run afoul of
any homeowner's association, and of the city and possibly state.
Even if the bozo gets away with it for a while, I have seen that very sort
of thing put the kabosh on selling the place.
The putty in windows was almost pure lead. My father swore by lead
putty, and he was a chemist. He worked it in his hands to keep it flexible.
He died at age 90. It must have shortened his life.
Lead putty, when was that used, Lead isnt flexible until near 600f, I
know lead was in paint but putty? The problem is these hungry kids
eat paint chips and suck on chinese toys painted with lead paint, so
when they dont achieve in school they are tested and the parents can
sue the lanlord. It doesnt matter if the mother drank a gallon of
booze a day in pregnancy or that the kid got it from toys. Lanlords
have gotten screwed from kids testing positive for lead.
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Lead putty, when was that used, Lead isnt flexible until near 600f, I
know lead was in paint but putty? The problem is these hungry kids
eat paint chips and suck on chinese toys painted with lead paint, so
when they dont achieve in school they are tested and the parents can
sue the lanlord. It doesnt matter if the mother drank a gallon of
booze a day in pregnancy or that the kid got it from toys. Lanlords
have gotten screwed from kids testing positive for lead.
Yes, lead-based putty. He swore by it. Said lead-based paint would chalk,
but not peel, thus providing for a long life. Of course, we grew up with
lead-based paint and no one thought much of it.
Locally we had a scare this year when the water works changed to ammonia and
chlorine combinations which, it turned out, leached the lead out of copper
tubing joints. Kids started to show up in school with symptoms. They tried
to hide the fact that they had picked a bad mixture, and eventually quietly
changed it, and we have no heard a word about it since.
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I read this year of a woman who ate food which her group (husband?) hunted.
Her appendix was full of lead, a lifetime accumulation from eating water
fowl shot with shotguns.
Everyone has a story about some relative about how they drank a quart of
booze a day/smoked 5 packs/cleaned their hands with solvent every
day/turned brown from the sun from working on a tuna trawler/mined
uranium etc and they lived to some ripe old age so therefore it is
evidence that that activity is OK.
All of the wisdom about causation of cancer pretty much points to having
a genetic predisposition which is "switched on" by a stimulus such as
radiation (nuclear or UV), exposure to chemicals or whatever. So the
reality is handle/expose yourself to whatever you want with abandon only
if you feel lucky.
I actually don't know how much lead (from pipes) would eb dissolved into
water - I'd haev to aska chemist. But they used lead fro pretty much
everything it seems, fromlining cups and other food vessels, to everyday
items and utensils, and so on. It might not have been any one thing, but
when you add it all up together, what's most amazing to me is that *any*
of them survived.
I also heard or read that the ROmans has double-paned windows - they weer
very rare (expensive item, glass), but still fascinating.
Considering it took Rome longer to fall than the U.S. has been in existence,
the alternative explanation is that the hype over lead is, um, exaggerated.
Huh?? Even despite contradicting even contemporaneous accounts, never mind
history, that doesn't make sense logically. In many ways, an empire
functions from the bottom up - even if the upper classes were having some
level of brain damage from ingestion of lead acetate, there are a lot fo
people in the lower classes still doing things as they'd alwasy doen, IOW,
in ways that had worked for hundreds of years.
Again, I don't know how much lead dissolves in average (i.e. undistilled0
water, but the thinking is that the highest lead levels occurred in those
who were ingesting luxury foods, a category whihc includes specially-
prepared sweetened wine and foods (i.e. sweetened with the syrup that was
created by reduction of the solution created by heating wine with lead).
OTOH, you're more than welcome to start ingesting as much lead as you wish,
if you *really* want to prove your point. MEanwhile, the effect of lead
poisoning was well-known to the Roams, and their successors (such as
Lucretia Borgia); additionally, in more recent times, the effect of lead
upon the neurological development of children has also been studied and is
well-known. So take all the risks with your own health taht you wish -
meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to try to avoid ingesting lead.
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