The finish looks pretty tough, and they guarantee it for 15 years, but I was
wonder what it might look like *after* it fails...Flaking? Peeling? (Worst
cases.)Powdering? (Not so bad.) Fading? (What doesn't change color?)
I haven't seen any failures myself, but the product has been around longer
stateside than it has here.
<Jude adjusts sweaty collar>
TAP! TAP! TAP! Is this thing on?
The products are named like that. The company's is a family name, I think.
They also make a shingle that's very nice for traditional work (locally
~$9.50/sq.ft.), and a big 'panel'.
The question was, **how** does the finish eventually fail?
Same as anything else - through lack of maintenance. Water gets under
the finish and starts blowing off the paint due to vapor pressure.
The Hardie line of siding products take and hold paint beautifully.
The paint job will last far longer than if on wood. The big caveat is
that the stuff absorbs water and all cut ends must be sealed with
paint. If you take care during the installation you can expect to get
about double the life of a paint job. The stuff is easy to install.
There are shears that are great for cutting the fiber cement stuff
without raising god awful amounts of dust.
Thanks for that, but in asking "How does it fail?" what I meant was, "What
is the mode of finish failure?"
I.E., flaking or peeling or powdering or just fading? IOW, what will it look
like when it has failed? Is the color beneath the paint a Portland grey?
? As opposed to what? Rotting wood? Let me list all of the
maintenance free sidings:
Hmmm, short list. Maybe siding products with no drawback will do
I guess not.
What exactly are you hoping for?
To understand how it wood fail ; ) Paint on aluminum tends to fail by going
powdery, but hangs on for a long time after it's failed. (Ever seen bare
aluminum siding?) Bare aluminum oxidizes to a fairly stable oxide coating.
Vinyl tends to fade, but since it's got 'through color' you don't see a
foreign color after failure, but a related color. After that, I'm not sure
what happens to vinyl.
Somebody else posted that fiber cement will 'crumble'. Any experience with
That poster said the stuff was _buried_. You're not supposed to bury
any type of siding, including brick, so that's a non-issue. I am
still not quite sure what you are looking for, Michael. It's a
painted siding. Painting requires maintenance and periodic renewal.
The Hardie stuff takes and holds paint far longer than wood. It's
durable. You won't find many complaints about it because there's not
much to complain about. If you don't want to paint, get a plastic
siding. It'll look like plastic and you'll be extremely limited in
your choice of colors.
The Hardipanel is a godsend if you like the look of stucco, but you
can't afford stucco and/or want to do it yourself. Covering the
exposed seams with Harditrim (or whatever it's called), and throwing
in a few extra pieces does a good job of imitating a half-timbered
look. As in everything, it's all in the details - construction
details, not esthetic details. If you install if correctly you'll
probably get eight years out of a paint job, depending on climate,
which is about double the life of painted wood.
I added the add-on suggested by Rusty. It seems to run a session of OE
inside itself, and takes care of the formatting issue, but seems to have
other little glitches in it, like not recognizing a hyperlink's tartget in a
post...not sure how long I'll stick with it...may go back to my equal signs.
Explanation is below, apparently the posters are set to "Plain Text, Quoted
Printable" format which helps for pretty-printing, but who prints NG posts?
When you reply to or forward a message that was composed using "Plain Text,
Quoted Printable" format in Outlook Express, there is not a quote character
at the beginning of each line of text that is included from the message you
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This is a side effect of the "Plain Text, Quoted Printable" format in the
message you received.
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message you are quoting. For this to work, there must be a <CR><LF> pair
(\\r\\n) at the end of each line.
When a message is sent using "Plain Text, Quoted Printable" format, an equal
sign is added to the end of the line to let the browser know that the line
continues. Therefore, there is only one quote character at the beginning of
each paragraph quoted.
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line wrapping. When you send mail on the Internet, you can send only 80
characters on a line of text. To provide word-wrap capability, the lines are
packaged in "Plain Text, Quoted Printable" format. This ends each line with
an equal sign to indicate that it continues to the next line.
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