forgive me, but that house is an abomination.
its nothing more than a "custom" spec shack - a hodgepodge collage of
everything under the sun.
with that, id reccommend the book "Creating a New Old House" by Russell
Versaci to your client in the hopes of steering him/her
in a more architecturally correct direction. give him a home, not a house!
What kind of abomination?
Something we wouldn't design
Something they told us not to design in Design Studio
Inaccurate (was it trying to be?)
As much a mix of stylistic references as San Simeon
Actually a bad thing to live in given the style of life the people living in
it want to lead
"the client decided on"
I have no idea what you mean by "shack" unless it's just to be aimlessly
demeaning. It has more than four walls and one room. More than even a few
rooms. It has more than one roof.
Aren't some of the most celebrated buildings in architectural history (not
real history) "shacks"? Or are those the good kind?
Ah, a purist. Can't have a porch and a castle in one house. Can't have
gothic in a room one person uses for one purpose and baroque in another used
and targeted differently. Worse, the bastards probably put a gothic finial
in the same space as a renaissance scroll! It must be bad. Please don't come
over to my place. I've got a picture of Audrey Hepburn in the same room as a
picture of a cable stayed bridge. The other room has a japanese etching of a
rural farmyard AND an traditional suspension bridge. Your brain would likely
explode at the crimes against nature.
Why not recommend... that he just do a good job at what he's paid for? Or is
Russ the only architect (is Russ an architect?) capable of teaching the
unwashed masses about the elite bullshit architecture pretends is required?
Maybe having the OP read Russ (likely the OP is more "qualified" to do
something useful with the text) and apply the lessons or even gently tutor
the poor Philistine who dared like this splendid piece of Philistine
pleasing work (oh my GOD! Architecture that completely and utterly succeded
at its intended aims (maybe it isn't as bad as we think)).
Aside from mentioning Russ's text you don't offer any real ideas of what
"architecturally correct" is. What is architecture? Sorry, Architecture. You
seem to think "only one style" is a requirement. I can't really find much
But isn't building to a style really the fall back position of ... crap
architects with no vision? "I'll just throw togther a box and tart it up
with tuscan/post-modern/classical/cottage/duck frou frou and call it a
'design.'" So I guess designing to rigid stylistic constraints can't be what
your after... Nope, I can't figure it out. What is "good architecture"?
Sorry, Architecture. Capital 'A'.
It seems more of a client-designer yin-yang.
Presumably the client wants you in part because of your design talents,
otherwise you show the client the door... and what a nicely-designed door it
...But I know what you mean. ;)
Resistance is a few tiles.
You want compensation for work rendered.
You want a portfolio that echoes your creativity.
Maybe you want clients whose tastes echo yours, and yours theirs and
Your lovechild is the design.
Sell your creative soul for soul-food on the table.
The shuttle tiles are special enough that I'm willing to not use them as an
example of ceramics behaviour as a class. iirc, you may have it exactly
wrong. They aren't so much insulators as insanely efficient radiators. The
one time I saw a guy holding one in his hand he was blowtorching the top and
it was red hot. Do that for a few minutes and merely "insulate" and you'll
find your front face melting off (unless the melting temp is really really
high, I guess) which would be bad. But the deal with the Shuttle tiles is
that they were able to spit that heat right off. So why didn't it also spit
to the interior of the tile? Good question. I probably should just google
how many times have i read statements from you
complaining about the ignorance of clients, and how they dont really know
what they want,
and its your job as an almighty designer to show them the way? very
now if you want to have discussions about why its better to invent and
create within the rules of a traditional style,
id be more than happy to show you the way.
as for that experience crack, id say to you the same thing i said to gruhn -
ive got hundreds of years of time honored traditions to back me up. i
directly benefit from the experience of thousands of master builders and
craftsmen - from a time when detailing was everything, and everything was
studied, refined, and built to perfection. these are aspects of construction
that have been lost over the years - mostly due to cheap building practices.
as an architect, as someone who lives and breathes the profession, i have
made it my job to bring those sensibilities back, to continue the tradition
of fine residential design and construction. you seem to laboring under the
impression that these things cannot exist harmoniously with the wants of a
client, and if thats the case, you couldnt be more wrong.
by the same token, i wouldnt design 30' fluted entry columns for a client
that 'could' afford them, unless it was appropriate to
the style.i have a feeling you would though...am i wrong?
and youre wrong about swaying a client don - thats a generalization, thats
giving up before the game is even on.
again, you seem to laboring under the impression that the design principles
i advocate conflict with budgets.... if anything, it helps clarify and
good. id suggest you start with reading "Creating a New Old House" by
Versaci. then at least we could have a framework to work within.
youve got to be kidding me. if i were sitting next to you right now id smack
the back of yer skall with my T square.
you read one book - though i commend you for at least trying - and thats it?
from that you decided any further pursuit
was pointless? do you really think vitruvius is the end all be all of design
principles? dont get me wrong, we certainly owe
plenty to vitruvius, but you havent even scratched the surface - especially
if your buisness is residential design. have you really overlooked the
vastly rich contributions american architects have made? lets see.....
Benjamin Asher - ever hear of him?have you ever studied the "Country
Builders Assistant" or "The American Building Companion" ?? or any of his
pattern books for that matter? who else? off the top of my head, H.H.
Richardson? Bruce Goff? A. Hays Town? im trying to use a broad brush
here.......have you ever been to the habs website and poured over the
thousands of drawings and details? honestly man, how can i take your
opinions on this seriously? you have no idea what youre talking about, but
that doesnt seem to stop you from plopping your two cents in every friggin
thread.....really man, do your homework before you get on your soap box and
preach to anyone about design. maybe you should go hang out at
after this vitruvian development, id say your experience dont amount to a
hill of beans, design wise. you may have the biz side of it down to a
science - wonderful, but its only half the equation.
im sorry you got swallowed up with all the other little fish
im sorry you seem to have some aversion with learning from the knowledge of
those that have mastered their craft.
ive got more real world experience then you might think don, the difference
between you and i is i started with a good well rounded education in
architecture...to get the experience you have will only take me time, but
you on the other hand, well im afraid you'll never have the experience ive
had, unless you get off your soapbox and get out to that woodshed.
now, if you'll excuse me, its friday night, ive got a bag of goodies, a
bottle of wine, and im gonna get it on right tonight.
The Guess Who came on the radio, the other night, and I said to my wife,
"That's Burton Cummings singing."
Her response was, "No one else knows that crap, except you."
I can now tell her that, "Steve and Don also know that crap!"
The Guess Who... Not bad... and Canadian.
For a nostalgic listen, I just took out from our local library Simple Minds'
first album that I used to enjoy in the early eighties, as well as a Red Hot
Chili Peppers for their Breaking the Girl for my hard drive.
RH King HS Scarboro ont. 1970...
I ask "who's doing the dance?",
answer, "guess who"...
answer, "No, guess who".
I was baffled, everyone I asked said "guess who"
and being a math nerd, I had no idea...until a
few days later...duh. what a silly name for a group.
One point I'd like to comment on. Most people probably *don't* know what
they want in terms of building - because they typically haven't previously
been in the position of being able to build their own place. Ignorance
merely means lacking education, and it is true that most people have not
had a reason to become educated in things related to building a place.
When people do get to where they can build one, some seek education, others
don't. It's a pain in the bucket to work with people who don't want to
learn, but know all to well how to demand (regardless of whether what they
demand is doable or not) - that's true in *any* job or profession.
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