I've been getting conflicting info regarding waterborne lacquer's
ability to "burn in". I presume that means no witness lines if you sand
too deeply, because each coat "melts" into the previous coat. Is that
true? If so, is it easy to repair water based lacquer years later, like
nitro? Does it look different.
Does waterborne urethane look different than waterborne lac? Does
urethane never have the capability to "burn in"? Or is all this hype by
the mfgrs to address shortcomings of water based products?
And if they are so great, why should I still consider using solvent
based stuff? Looks? Durability? Depth? Hardness? Do they polish out better?
Is it more important to pick the right BRAND, as opposed to the
particular TYPE of finish?
I can SPRAY now...that's why all the questions! :)
Does waterborne lacquer take significantly longer to dry than nitro?
A comment on the look of water based vs organic/oil based urethane. When you
are spraying over certain colours of stain the water based product will impart
a bluish hint to the finish. I noticed this more with reddish stains. Some
users and manufactures add a small amount of an amber tint to counter this
effect. And over time the water based product will not yellow as will the
I use the water based whenever I can as you can apply 4 coats in a day vs 1 or
2 for oil based. And I can use it anywhere as it is not flammable. It is also
cheaper and more environmentally friendly when you clean the gun. I have no
experience with WB lacquers as of yet. Cheers, JG
Bay Area Dave wrote:
How's it going? I'm curious what HVLP system you ended up with. I'm
probably not going to be able to afford to get one of these for awhile, but
I'm still curious. Have you had a chance to try it out yet? What do you
Yeah, you'd think some of the guys around here would show a little more
respect (fear)! :)
How you doing, yourself?? I'm not having ANY fun with my new toys; I
don't have them yet! I hope to get the BS tomorrow and the sprayer by
You will love the HVLP unit. At least i love my Graco 4900 Procomp unit.
Just remember to thin your material right and hold the gun 5-8 inches away
from what your spraying. They are a little S L O W but you'll like how
little material you'll need to use. I'll give ya a call soon, been fixin up
the house so been busy.
cool. I look forward to the call! I've been working on a mobile base
for my Powermatic BS I just got. Sure glad I got rid of the Delta BS.
this one is WAY cooler. (OOPS! don't want to piss off the Delta BS
I got the Accuspray. I almost got an Apollo until the guy let me try it
out. The gun doesn't spray quite as uniformly as the Accuspray gun,
plus it was a bleeder type. I'll probably get it around Thursday. I
can't "afford" it either, but then again I "need" it, if you know what I
mean. :) I'll let you know how I like it.
Tomorrow I expect to get the Powermatic BS I bought yesterday.
Hopefully I'll have it in my eager little hands before lunch! It has a
nozzle that blows air on the work piece to keep the cut line clear
(well, that's what it's supposed to do). they let me fire one up at the
WW show, but we didn't run any wood through it. I scared the hell out
of SWMBO when I put my finger near the nozzle to see how air it
produced, because the nozzle was right next to the running blade. It
also has a work light and runs quietly and smoothly like the proverbial
sewing machine. A big improvement over the 299A I had. I ALSO got to
see 2 X5's running, and they also were smooth, which was surprising, in
light of the trouble with the 299A and all the talk of changing sheaves
and using link belts to tame the beasts!
What project are you working on now? Are you still studying?
Mike in Mystic wrote:
Suggest a visit to www.targetcoatings.com, maker of Oxford WB finishes
both interior and exterior. Forum is great. "Water clear" are words
to describe WB lacquer and their PSL has 100% burn-in and dry times
comparable to nitro.
That sounds great. I don't have anywhere remotely clean enough to try to
spray a finish anyway, so it probably is for the best that I can't spend the
$$ right now on an HVLP system. BUT, SWMBO says we should start looking for
a bigger place with some land, so maybe in a few years I can actually build
a shop from scratch (I'm probably dreaming, but what the hell).
As for my projects, I built a new miter saw stand. I've rearranged the shop
and needed to make some workstations. I didn't finish it yet, but I wanted
to get started on my workbench (finally), so that's what I did this weekend.
I'm building the joiner's bench from Sam Allen's book - nothing particularly
fancy, but I'll have a sturdy bench with a grid of dogholes, a good front
vise and the Veritas twin-screw end vise, so I should be pretty good for
hand tool work soon. I ran into a little issue with part of it (see another
thread I started), but it seems that I was worried for nothing.
Honestly, with the little guy on the premises now (he's already 2 months
old!), I'm averaging about 5 hours of shop time a week vs. maybe 20-25
pre-baby. But, that's the way it goes. He's growing too fast, actually.
He's already over 14 lbs!
Anyway, I took this semester off from the MBA program, but will be back at
it in January. I don't even want to think about how little workshop time
I'll have at that point.
Even with the limited time, I know you put it all to good use as your
projects just keep rolling along. You constantly amaze me at how much
stuff you get done!
Speaking of workbenches, I couldn't find a top mounted vise at the WW
show yesterday. My bench has drawers under most of it and 2 Mac Tool
cabinets -- one at each end. My only option would be to give up the use
of a couple of the top-most Mac drawers IF there's enough room to
install a vise over the Mac cabinet.
Sounds like you'll have a class-A workbench when it's all done. Please
post some pics as you go along if you've got the time, ok?
I'm wondering already WHERE to put the BS. the last time I had one,
there was less stuff in my shop. It's always the same isn't it, Mike,
not enough time, not enough money, not enough shop space. And
DEFINITELY, one can NEVER have too many Bessey clamps!! 15 is NOT
enough. Since I don't seem to ever move the DP, maybe I'll use it's
mobile stand for the BS.
Mike in Mystic wrote:
Well, it never feels like I'm getting anything done hehe. The list of
"to-do" things is always getting longer. But I guess that's how it should
be. After the workbench I'm finally going to get the dresser for the
nursery done. SWMBO is pretty ornery when she sees me working on "another
shop project" instead of "real projects". But when she sees how I put the
handplanes I have to use finally, she "might" appreciate it. probably not.
I'll try to take pictures as I go, but I didn't even think of it today,
unfortunately. Face glueing three sheets of MDF together shouldn't impress
anyone anyway hehe. Cutting the notch for the vise wasn't too bad, when I
finally got a clue and used a router instead of the jigsaw.
Now that I know you need 2 or even 3 coats of contact cement when using it
on MDF, I'll be in pretty good shape next weekend to finish the bench.
Installing the Veritas twin-screw vise should be an adventure.
As for shop stuff, I'm glad to see you're still in acquisition mode. I
honestly have never even seen a Powermatic bandsaw. I'm still chugging
along pretty good with my Jet 14". I haven't gotten into veneering yet,
though, so we'll see how that goes. I'm planning to scavange the compressor
off of a failed dehumidfier I have and see if I can use that to get a veneer
press into action. with my luck it will be the compressor that is shot.
Clamps! I was lucky enough (or unlucky as LRod might say) to get in on the
Woodcraft sale of Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps. So, now my clamp total
K-bodies: 4x50", 4x24", 2x40"
CM's: 8x48", 8x36", 8x24"
That seems to be enough for now. I also have some pipe clamps for doing
really long projects, and about 15 small German bar clamps and a dozen very
nice iron 6" c-clamps. I even have a few pump-action clamps (ala
Craftsman), and several spring clamps. Clamps are good, eh?
And, you're right about the DP. That is about the only tool I use (other
than the lathe), that I don't seem to have any desire to move. I put it in
a good spot, though, so that might be why.
Alright, I'm off now. Take it easy,
Yeah buddy! I finally got around to doing that myself, sort of. I
retrofitted a wholly unsuitable general-purpose workbench with a screw-on
flat top, a stout (former rustbucket) front vise, and a grid of dog holes.
I had to make a lot of compromises due to space limitations, and the need to
keep the metalworking end of the thing as-is because I really do use it a
lot, but it's about 1,000% better for hand work than what I had before.
It's such a joy to be able to clamp things with nothing in the way!
Gonna have to think about weight though. If I dig in wrong with a plane,
the entire bench chatters across the floor. That's really rather amazing
since I have nearly 150 pounds of iron and steel bolted to or sitting on
the thing, and at least another 50 pounds of tools and whatnot, plus the
weight of the bench itself. It must weight close to 300 pounds, and I can
move it with the point of one li'l ol' razor blade.
The baby years IMHO royally suck. The bright side is that it gets better
before you know it. My nine year old just assembled one of those cheapo
knockdown bookcases for my wife. I told him to go ahead and try it, and
came in here for a bit. SWMBO kept coming in to ask when I was going to go
help him. Half an hour later, I nailed the back on for him (because it's
so easy to screw that up, even for a former furniture assembler, and I
wanted to take the blame if something went wrong) and it was finished. She
was flabbergasted, but that's my little tool man. :)
"No, *really*, how much did he do himself?" "I nailed the back on." "No,
*seriously*, how much did you help him?" "I nailed the back on." "No,
quit joking, I mean *SERIOUSLY*." "I nailed the back on."
But meanwhile YOU get to look forward to about two more years of getting
puked on, taking golden showers, getting puked on, changing stinky diapers,
and getting puked on. Lucky you! :)
<points a finger at you and says "HA HA!">
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan < email@example.com>
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