Never had anything bigger than a pump pellet rifle for varmit control, but am considering a handgun because it may not be an option to legally buy one in the not so distant future. Also, while traveling in the 5th wheel and staying overnight in some [not] "protected" areas, it might be a good insurance policy. Just have to make sure I and SWMBO are trained so she doesn't confuse me with a bad guy...
"HeyBub" wrote in news:JdWdnV3ZHMWMDajXnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
I hope you live far away from 07410
Morris, I think you are exposing the lack of common sense in today's environment. I'd like to infuse everybody with a healthy dose of pride in themselves and respect for others. Since nowadays everything has to be done by force, any suggestions of how to accomplish that?
Where is that coming from?
Maybe NRA propaganda?
Hand gun registration, background checks, yes.
Banning sale of hand guns, no.
The idea that if firearms are registered, the bad guys will know where to find and confiscate them is shear lunacy and more NRA hype.
There are far easier ways, which for obvious reasons, I'll not post on UseNet.
Lew
"/Be/ the change you wish to see in the world."
Magazines. The kind you read. One of my uncles taught me how to use a magazine as a weapon. Ironically, he got his training from the British Army!
Easier ways such as for what?
I do know from several acquaintances that a common particular caliber of ammo seems to be very difficult to purchase - the shelves of suppliers being empty and no dates of when supplies might be available. No, not assault rifle ammo.
Some are wondering if disarming the public will be done by restricting ammunition purchases.
Are police in Sierra Leone issued shotguns, nets, or most other devices?
You have clearly misunderstood the whole conversation then, as the point about machine guns was that someone asserted in a disparaging manner that someone else had asserted that they were _needed_ for hunting.
Doug, at this point the only way the government is going to get away with a handgun ban is with a Constitutional Amendment. They do not have the authority to ban handguns. That ship sailed last June.
The idea that disarming the general populace will allow the "Bad Guys" to take over the country.
Being a capitalist kind of guy, I've have tongue in cheek suggested that the way to get a handle on hand guns is to tax the ammunition at the rate of $10/cartridge.
It would certainly have an affect on ammunition availability as well as the hand gun violence here in L/A where on an average week, there will be 6-8 hand gun killings.
Lew
You're using a Fsking Hollywood Movie to guide you in this?
Good luck in the afterlife...
That's not what you said.
Yet many societies where it is trivial for citizens to be armed have "broken individuals" blowing themselves up in crowded places almost weekly.
Your statement above doesn't scan.
Well, religion makes people insane...
It's what I meant to say, but I'm not much of a wordsmith. My apologies for causing confusion.
It does for me. Feel welcome to disregard if it doesn't make sense for you.
Hmm. Religion generally involves accepting something objectively unknowable as True. Insanity generally involves a significant individual deviation from the norm in the context of the individual's culture/society...
I think you'll need a /lot/ of bandwidth to convince me of an across-the-board cause-and-effect relationship between the two.
Hey! ... it's Hollywood "reality" doncha know!
Dave Balderstone wrote in news:140620092152569705%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
More believaable than NRA agitprop.
Another fable.
OK, you're officially a loon of the same kind as the politician who said "The only physics I ever took was ex-lax" and the one who said "Everything I know about firearms i learned watching 'Miami Vice'.".
Han,
The guard was killed with a rifle, IIRC. I don't recall reading the caliber or type. McVeigh used a massive bomb. Neither will fit in a pocket.
I believe that living risks dying from some random event, and madmen and other psycopaths are about as random as it gets. Note in GB, with very tight gun control laws, not too long ago an MD was convicted of killing some 200+ patients with poison. McVeigh used a very inefficient bomb type, mostly made from diesel fuel and fertilizer. None of this can be legislated out of existence because the fertilizer is needed for food production, and diesel fuel gets it from the farm to the market. There was an immense hoorah about tracking anyone who bought large amounts of both back around the time of the event, but the problem there comes fro the simple fact that one helluva lot of farmers uses that kind of fertilizer, and have diesel tractors, and other machinery. Farmers don't buy fertilizer by the 100 pound sack, but by the truckload, and even the small farms around here can have two or three 500 gallon diesel tanks scattered around to feed the tractors.
Over-broadening definitions of weaponry, or useful tools, is something the government often does...any government, not just in the U.S. It is not new. Bush's minions couldn't get the assault rifle definition changed to sanity, but, then, AFAIK, they also didn't try hard. Handguns are always going to be a hot spot, one that most politicians fear to touch, while the NRA creates more problems by screaming about bans, instead of working to get realistic controls when they KNOW that controls are inevitable. The people at the top of NRA know that allowing people who lack knowledge of guns to formulate the details of control means there's more to holler about, keeping their membership on the rise, and their salaries likewise.
Swing, take into consideration that GB took 65+ years to get to its present state, not five or six or even a couple of decades. We don't have quite the same background, and won't head that far that way as easily, so five years is really way too pessimistic. Among other things, there are far too many guns in this country to consider any kind of efficient confiscation. While a lot of us have spent the past eight years say, well, if I don't do anything wrong, what difference does it make if the Feds check my mail and telephone and my library reading habits and similar activities, even more realized that kind of government activity is not a good thing in the long run, or even the short run. Hell, even during WWII, censorship of mail was pretty much confined to the Armed Forces mail from overseas. So, IMO, there will be more and more resistance to gun control, and weapons control.
We do have a major problem, though, one that started during WWII, really got rolling in the mid to late '60s, and that continues today: too may alphabet soup government employees looking to make sure all live lives as they feel we should. Christ, I can't even begin to remember the names, but DEA, FBI, DEA and 50 different divisions in HSA are sitting waiting to pounce, as is IRS, while Customs is now taking it upon itself to write its own rules, something that should NOT be allowed. I've met a few Customs agency types. I really don't want them regulating my ability, or judging my need or lack of need, to buy much of anything, whether it's a kitchen knife, a tablesaw, or a jacknife.
Here's one that always amuses me: TSA will confiscate a Stanley pocket knife, or a small screwdriver, while allowing hundreds of people onto aircraft while those people have pockets, or briefcases, full of nicely sharpened pencils. Many of today's cheap ball point pens can also serve as effective stabbing implements. If you want to slow someone up, rip your house or car keys across his face at eye level, the poke an eye with one of the keys. If you're on an aircraft, odds are about 99 to 1 that the seat in front of you will contain both a glossy magazine and a catalog. Roll either tightly and ram the result into someone's solar plexus.
There's simply too much nonsense about weaponry.
When I saw the original post, I knew it was going to light some fires. I never thought it would go on this long.
Good Grief!
Doesn't anyone have time for woodworking any more?
RonB
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