Doug Winterburn wrote in news:4e96e75c$0$2357 $c3e8da3$ snipped-for-privacy@news.astraweb.com:
But it would be nice to give people equa or at least similar chances at making a life for themselves.
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I can understand that.
That is the dealer sticking it to you but I can get brakes done at my local chevy dealer for
Right! Corporations don't pay taxes its customers do.
Vonnegut is a master at his craft. Nobody has a sense of humour like his..very unique. I have been a fan for years and he's the only author (besides Camus) whose books I have read several times.
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nWhat year and model and to what extent is that 'brake job?'
Payroll taxes are *supposed* to pay for SS. These same people get much more of that money back in SS payments.
The number is correct.
The number has steadily been climbing for decades.
He (BH) also owes $1B in back taxes, so don't start telling us again what a great guy he is.
So do I mark you down in the "Supports Fair Tax" column? ;-)
When something needs to be created, built, constructed, or erected what basic element MUST you have to get the job done? Without it nothing could be done.
what would be worth more to a company that produced product?
Those with skills shouldn't be paid more than those who can't?
Usually, the ones who thought up the product, the way to pay for the product, or the ones who protected the investors who paid. You can tell that they're worth more because, well, they're paid more.
I stand corrected due to an omission. Let me re-phrase.
"The REAL inequity is that 49% of the populaton pays NO income taxes at all! How is that fair? (In fact, a goodly proportion get money FROM the federal government in the form of 'earned income tax credits'. How is THAT fair?) Buncha freeloaders, you ask me."
Sounds like you're an advocate for my "Fair-Fair Tax" plan. I sent the outlines to Senator McGovern back when he, as a presidental candidate, advocated sending everybody $1000. At that time, our population was about
250 million and our national budget was about $250 billion.That works out to a tax of $1000/per person. Send it in.
Ah, but what about the person who doesn't HAVE $1000?
They could contribute unit of blood platelets (at $100) each month for ten months and have their taxes for the year paid (I call this my Tax Withdrawal Plan).
Sure, you might say, but what about the teen-age mother with four children? She can't contribute five units of blood platelets and we're certainly not going to drain toddlers! (that would be cruel). She can contribute a kidney and get a $25,000 credit, enough for her and her brood for five years (longer if she contributes blood platelets too). At the end of five years, perhaps a cornea or half a liver. By the time ten years have passed, her offspring would be on their own and having their own tax issues.
social-goal tax forgiveness. To the extent these companies participated in these legislatively-approved social goals, they should be applauded, not demonized.
You, me, and our fellow voters encouraged GE's participation. GE didn't make the rules and shouldn't be criticized for playing by them.
What about the poor who are already working, supporting 6 kids, themselves, and their 3 parents?
ACK!
-- The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer
I apologize for my shorthand. Please allow me to rephrase and perhaps you'll have a cogent comment on the new rendition: "The REAL inequity is that 49% of the wage-earning population pays NO income taxes at all! In fact, many get a check from the government, the "earned income tax credit", for holding a job instead of paying income taxes on that job. Buncha free-loaders, you ask me."
Look on the bright side: the waiting list for a kidney transplant would go down.
"HeyBub" wrote in news:fLidnbQ1RLc2yArTnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
That doesn't change anything. Those people who "freeload" on federal income taxes still pay all those other taxes. If you really want all taxes to go per person, rather than be adjusted for total income, you really would have to raise the incomes at the lower end by 2 or 3 fold. Unless you want violent revolution.
"HeyBub" wrote in news:ZK6dnW8JetqPxwrTnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
I'm not critizing anyone who plays by the rules, except that those who write the rules could be implicated in making those favorable rules. Anyways, the rules should be amended, and if you ask me, all those exceptions should have an automatic expiration date within (say) 5 years.
"HeyBub" wrote in news:EcWdnfZrKfL0ygrTnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
That sort of thing was done years ago. (I'm not exactly sure of the details). They were testing antimalarial drugs, and used prisoners as "volunteers". I think they were promised reduced sentences or so. Some of those prisoners were black. Blacks have a disproportionally high incidence of G6PDH deficiency, and got very sick or died from one or another of those drugs. Like those people who had syphilis, and they really wanted to document the progress of the disease. So they treated them with placebo. I had to memorize all those atrocities for our "human use" submissions for our research. I'm busily trying to forget most of that. Oh yes, this was in the USA, not Nazi Germany.
*All* those exceptions? Like COGS? Better to get rid of *ALL* corporate taxes.
Until the skilled laborer begins the work all of those others have limited use and life expectancy. Talking about it, planing it, getting funding is fine but you absolutely must produce the product to justify all keeping their jobs. If management is lost or disrupted it IME can more easily be replaced than than a good labor force. If production is disrupted you are dead in the water. This is especially true in small business. I have mostly worked in small businesses when making the better salaries and have always been in management in those settings. Starting out and while going to school I worked more on the labor end. I can assure you in my experience I worked harder with a skill equal to seasoned employees for less than when I moved up to management. Management was relative easy for me to move into and I ended up managing many areas in the automotive field starting at age 21 until I retired at
So no, I don't believe that in most cases that some one that makes 10 times the salary works 10 times harder.
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