I meant in Connecticut. Sorry. Pretty much all of our large-scale
non-military manufacturing is long gone. Most of the big stuff that's
left is United Technologies family and still tied back to military
stuff, like Pratt & Whitney, Sikorsky, etc...
Zip file compression and ESPN are Connecticut grown, though!
FWIW, Cessna is building it's newest aircraft in China.
And Independence (KS) and Columbus (GA).
Also, both the Wichita Airbus facility is expanding (independent of the
tanker contract foo-fa; they do Axxx design work in Wichita) as well as
Spirit (former Boeing commercial facility, now they do the former Boeing
work plus additional for various others including new work for Airbus as
well as 787 composites)...
Now is, somewhat amazingly, still pretty-much boom times in commercial
aviation in both large airframes as well as small business and private
markets despite fuel costs.
It's "Made in China".
I've been following the uproar since it started.
The expansion in Wichita is mostly Citation trainin facility, no? I
know they're building the Mustang in Indepependence.
Didn't see the CT connection :) granted; thought it was meant as US.
Many of the problems in local areas has to do w/ onerous State and Local
laws and taxation policies combined w/ changing product demands and
competition pressures that haven't been responded to in effective manner
for one reason or another (or more generally, combination of all of the
above and more)...
<<We have lots of smaller specialty manufacters, like Hamer guitars
(woodworking content), Kaman music (Ovation), Peter Paul (as in Mounds),
Cannondale, Horton Brasses (woodworking content), etc...>>
Isn't Peter Paul shutting down their CT operation? But Stanley (woodworking
content) still manufactures some stuff in New Britski, don't they?
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"
I googled this, and man, you're right!
Hershey moved Mounds and Almond Joy to VA. That sucks!
But Stanley (woodworking
I'm not so sure. I know a guy at Stanley that makes regular trips to
Mexico City, though. I have to remember and ask.
We've still got Horton in Cromwell and the genuine Forstener bit in
Berlin. ESPN should count as a decent sized factory. <G>
Yes Japanese branded but made in the USA. Brand new Toyota plant 20
miles from my house. 4000 jobs. Going to build trucks and SUV's?
Nope, going to build the Prius.
Two hours south is a Nissan plant. Building Altima's.
Thing is, they can come to this country, build what the market wants,
offer it in high quality and be successful. Why can't the US brands
I've read that while foreign U.S. based auto manufacturing wages are only a
few dollars per hour cheaper that in fact with retirement, medical costs,
benefits etc. that the difference is $70+ U.S. Vs $45 foreign owned. If
indeed true such a margin creates very significant cost difference issues.
Incidenty I've heard on a web woodworking forum that Delta was moving their
table saw manufacturing back to the U.S.....is it true? Rod
I'm sure that's why they're here. Bring a plant into an area where
the average fully benefit loaded manufacturing wage is about
$20/hour, finding labor is not going to be a problem.
The Unisaw never left. Built in Jackson, TN, but with a higher
foreign content in components. The sheet metal is fabricated in
Jackson and the unit is assembled and painted there, components come
from the far east, Mexico and Brazil.
Regarding any others, I don't know. Of the 6-700 fine, knowledgable,
people who worked for Delta prior to the consolidation in 2000 there
are approximately 10 left with the company. Mostly field sales. I
have no contacts left to stay up with what is happening.
Many of the management, design and sales people moved to an outfit
called Steel City Toolworks. I very much like the tools they're
currently offering, even though the units all seem to be
offshore...but, then, very little isn't these days.
have proven what that union attitude gets them.... on BOTH sides of
Find a copy of James F Lincoln's book, Incentive Management, and read
Yes, the Lincoln Electric, James F Lincoln.
Written in the 30's, some of the references are a little stale, but
overall, still very much on the mark.
Firmly believed that any cost improvements should be shared equally,
1/3 each to customer, company, and worker which made Lincoln an
interesting place to work.
The auto makers have moved out of Detroit. Many have gone to the
south due to cheap labor and no unions. Nearly every auto
manufacturer is making cars in the US now and new factories have been
springing up all over the US during the past 5 years. Leaving the
decades old model of car manufacturing behind has worked well for
Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and BMW. In the meantime,
traditional US auto makers stuck to their old method of doing business
and went downhill. The new factories have great benefits for their
workers. They're very clean, new and well run. Building in the US
cuts down on costs and allows manufacturers to study the local
market. States who didn't work hard to woo auto makers lost out. So
did unions who worked against the companies they depended on.
I think some Chinese products have their place but I am tired of not
having a US alternative. Tools are probably the best example to
people here. Somebody designed a lunch box planer years ago. Today I
can buy that lunchbox planer in white, orange, yellow, gray, blue and
probably some other colors I missed. They're all made from the same
design, to approximately the same specs and probably even come from
the same factories. Several US companies decide to buy X number of
these lunch box planers in their color of choice and price them within
several hundred dollars of each other. There is no real difference
between them besides the color and company graphics. This is only one
example of hundreds that I could probably find. What I really want is
a choice between 5 or 6 different designs rather than 5 or 6 different
colors. Then I can judge each one based on their design and
performance parameters. Otherwise I have to just pick one up in
whatever color I favor for no valid reason. Hmmm....should I buy the
Ridid for $300 or the Steel City for $500?
The problem of not having good product choices is the result of greedy
US companies who want to import <any> widget to make as much $$$ as
they can. None of them have any desire to build good or unique
products. None of them have pride in supporting US workers. It's all
about how much $$$ they can make for the board, CEO and other
directors. Unfortunately that is exactly what our economy is designed
for and it's what the US prides itself on. And not one of us can
individually change it. I can't hurt Delta's business badly enough
for them to design and build a planer in the US. Same for Rigid,
DeWalt, Steel City or any other US owned/operated tool peddler.
What we really need is a US tool company that makes good quality tools
in the US.
That is, of course, the purpose of _any_ company that isn't a government
or other monopolistic entity that doesn't require a profit to remain in
business. And, of course, you left off a major portion of where those
profits go, even for importers--employees of the distribution and retail
chain, etc., and the stockholders which include a major fraction of the
US population either directly or indirectly thru retirement plans.
The problem is, the US buying public has amply demonstrated they're more
interested in price than any other single factor. The fraction that
isn't is too small to be more than a niche market at best.
I completely agree. The fish rots from the top down. Just look at the
state of the economy. (Oooops, I'm Canadian and not allowed to observe a
clusterfuck like the US economy, so I will ignore that this time. I
mean... WHERE-O-WHERE is that really cool Delta plant in Guelph, Ontario
Yup, seen that elsewhere as well. It is not exclusively 'the union's'
fault. There are always examples which preclude generalisations like
that. But zoom back and take a look at the big picture. Unions have not
encouraged investment much, have they? As soon as the company starts to
make money, it was GIMME GIMME. R & D spending has suffered lots too.
I have seen this first hand. As a small business owner, you want to
grow, create work for people who want it, make a few bucks. My guys see
that CNC as a threat instead of what it is, a way to be competitive and
be more secure in this environment. It helps secure their jobs, not
threaten it. (Besides, it doesn't show up hung-over, goodie for me,
right? I should get something for putting my nuts on the chopping block,
Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built in
America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on this
about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.
I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck. He
was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He didn't
believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in Mexico and mine
was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him to go look up his VIN
and see for himself.
The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with Hyundai
and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they were going to
open a US plant and start building cars here.
In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their plants
out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to Canada and
Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written, because they're US
based corporations this is still considered "domestic" production.
So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an assumption
you should find out where the vehicle was actually built.
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