On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:36:29 -0500, the inscrutable Nova
O H M I G O D ! Scary schtuff, schweetheart.
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Scary, you bet. And relevant. I signed on to teach a course in astronomy
through my town's recreation department. Before they'll approve the course I
am required to sign an authorization that allows them to query the Selective
Service, ANY law enforcement agency or jail officer, ANY place of business,
ANY court, ANY school or other educational institution.
And to top it off, they want me to sign away ANY rights I may have to
liability or damages of ANY kind.
After checking with the ACLU and my state government, I'm about to tell them
some very specific place where they can store their form. It may be legal,
but it ain't right.
I thought it somewhat ironic that it was the aclu (a bunch of trial
lawyers in their own right) hosting the above parody. Although the parody
did leave out the dialog, "Oh, I see you are a member of the Church of ...,
all of our currently available cooks are athiests and your presence in our
restaurant would be offensive to their non-beliefs, therefore, I am going
to have to terminate this order and file a grievance against you for
harassing our employees for having beliefs they find offensive ..."
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Trial lawyers and the ACLU. The ACLU has no regard for values, they defend
child sexual preditors! While most trail lawyers are lower than whale shit at
the bottom of the ocean, at least they are in it for personal greed which puts
them one step above the ACLU.
Todd Fatheree wrote:
I'm a bit puzzled as to why they need "authorization" to do this. Seems to
me that all they need is the phone number of each of those entities and
they can "query" them to their hearts' content.
Now, among those entities, some will know nothing about you, so why do you
care if they query them? And others will know something about you, like
whether you're a draft dodger or wanted criminal or are in some other way
prohibited by law from participating in Federally funded programs, of which
their recreation department is no doubt one, or whether you have in fact
taken and passed an astronomy course or exhibited a useful knowledge of
astronomy or are in some other way qualified to teach astronomy, which
would be a useful thing for them to know before they set you in front of a
classroom, or whether the last place you worked you were a reasonable
employee or whether you cussed out the boss and pissed off the customers,
which again it would be useful for them to know before they put you in
front of a room full of people who are expecting some sort of reasonably
Sorry, but it doesn't seem to me that they've asked you for anything
unreasonable there. The "ANY" part is probably a lot easier on them than
listing all of the specific agencies that they will contact in _your_ case
based on your employment history and the like.
Which is standard for government agencies employing part time workers--some
kid spills his coffee on you you might shrug it off, but somebody else will
sue _them_ for running their coffee machines too hot or creating a hostile
work environment or some such instead of just accepting that shit happens
or going after the student for malicious clumsiness or whatever.
How many former prospective employers have you told where they could store
their form? Seems to me that if you're prone to tell people where to store
their forms you're going to be very unhappy dealing with the more
obstreperous sort of student.
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
I'm a municipal employee myself. It's more a legal and liability
issue for them. Just one example: Your going to be working around
kids. They have to exercise "due diligents" when it comes to
performing a background check on you. i.e. They have a
responsibility to protect the child attending one of their programs.
If they hire you, and fail to exercise diligents, and perform some
degree of background check, and you turn out to be a nasty person,
they can be held responsible for your actions. Although it may
be intrusive, that's just a fact of life now a days, when you work
On 29 Jan 2005 13:24:14 -0800, the inscrutable "toolguy"
Another guy just said "should of" today. Oy vay.
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Um, I think "heard of" is correct, grammatically. I even talked to my
resident grammar expert and she said it was acceptable. Are we wrong?
Wait, don't answer that. Is it indeed incorrect to say, "I've heard of
that."? (Damn. Now a punctuation conundrum!)
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:48:09 -0500, "SawDust (Pat)"
The problems they're addressing were always a problem,
it's just that they were neatly swept under a rug somewhere,
say another parish. The difference is that these things are
now on the table, in plain view.
It might very well be that that signing away of any rights regarding
liability or damages of any kind also includes anything they might say to
someone else/another agency, be it based in fact or fiction. That's a
dangerous thing to do as it can ultimately destroy you or your ability to
earn a reasonable living. If we are concerned about identity theft and
the problems getting it all "fixed," we really need to worry about this
type of thing as there is no way of fixing it as you've signed away all of
your rights to fix it as it would entail contradicting their careless
comments to others which you've said, by signing the document, that you
acknowledge you have no right to do.
People that sign this type of document without concern are often the same
people who don't bother to read the printed documents they sign when
renting cars, obtaining credit cards, buying houses, leasing property,
etc., and often get themselves into trouble. The final story is the judge
looks at the signed document, usually the full page of fine print on the
back which you signed that you read under the larger print on the front,
and says you signed it and finds for the other guy.
It's better to be cautious than careless when signing away any rights.
There's a big difference between them investigating you as a potential
employee and them passing on information to whomever they wish with no
liability for what they say.
And, yes, I do base these comments on real life experience. During the
course of my working years, I've had first-hand contact with many who have
had horror stories to tell.
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