To answer your first question, I don't see how ordering from Amazon
would provide more protection other than Amazon "could" put pressure on
Grizzly if something went wrong, but I doubt they would. In response to
your second question, the reason to order from Amazon and not Grizzly is
I have Amazon stock, but I don't have stock in Grizzly. You do want to
help out a fellow woodworker, don't you...
Larry C in Auburn WA
: To answer your first question, I don't see how ordering from Amazon
: would provide more protection other than Amazon "could" put pressure on
: Grizzly if something went wrong, but I doubt they would. In response to
: your second question, the reason to order from Amazon and not Grizzly is
: I have Amazon stock, but I don't have stock in Grizzly. You do want to
: help out a fellow woodworker, don't you...
Only if you use SBC telephone service or products made by Honeywell, or bank with
You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has lots of
upside potential. What do you suggest Montyhp as a reasonably low risk
investment that has done better over that time and will continue to do so?
I didn't say I bought it in 1999 though and most stocks are seriously
depressed from 1999. Owning a volatile stock carries more risk, but also
more potential gain. That's a personal choice as to how much risk one is
willing to take so it's tough to take sides on which is "right". My
question was to Montyhp though who seemed to think I was a sucker for owning
Amazon stock. I was curious what he thought was better. I'm still curious.
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"B a r r y" <Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
Chill, dude. A little tongue in cheek. I am a little bit tech heavy too.
I dollar cost average into broad markets, but then, I have a fairly long
time horizon. Most of my recent investments have been in big iron;-}
I'm cool but the drive-by "sucker" statement made me wonder why you felt
that way. It's been a good performer the last year so I figured you
must have a reason why you think it's poor stock to own. Even though I
lost mucho during the market downturn I still favor stocks with lots of
potential (higher risk). But hey, there are no fouls in a newsgroup so
I'm fine, sorry if my last note didn't come across that way.
Larry C in Auburn WA
"Montyhp" <montyhp at yahoo.com> wrote in message
Correct on the first point; probably incorrect as to their upside
potential. If you look at their sales expectations, etc. as compared
to the stock price, you'll see that the current stock price relfects
almost insanely optimistic future forecasts. That's not usually the
sign of a stock with lots of upside potential.
There's an interesting recent article on Amazon's stock on the Motley
Fool website; you might want to have a look. I think that even if you
assume Amazon will continue to be successful (and there's plenty of
good reason to think that), their stock is still way overvalued by
I don't know squat about the jointer but I do know about Amazon.com
shipping: it sucks.
I ordered a Unisaw in January '04 from Amazon.com because the price
was slightly cheaper than other places and the shipping was free and I
previously had been impressed with how quickly Amazon.com could get
The saw was shipped motor freight. The shipping company called me a
couple of days before delivery to schedule the delivery. They also
wanted to make sure I could get the "package" off of the back of the
truck. Huh? They want an item that weighed 500lbs that was being
delivered to a residence to be pulled off of the back of the truck.
Right. Let me hook up the fork lift attachment to my lawn tractor and
I'll get right on it.
The shipping company suggested that I contact Amazon.com to arrange
for lift-gate delivery. Through email (hard to find a phone number to
talk to someone at Amazon.com) the customer service reps at Amazon.com
knew nothing about this delivery method. After exchanging numerous
(increasingly angry) emails with Amazon.com I called the shipping
company back. They said that it was going to be $92 for lift-gate
delivery if I paid for it myself. But Amazon.com had a special rate
of $25 and they didn't understand why Amazon.com was being so
difficult. (The folks at the shipping company were very helpful)
Armed with this new information I went back to Amazon.com by phone
(the shipping company gave me the super secret phone number) and
finally got them to understand what was needed and that I was willing
to pay the extra $25.
After that everything was fine. I will NOT use Amazon.com for any
large items. Their customer service was horrible as well as being
clueless. But they are great for books and small items. I have had
numerous motor freight deliveries made to my house and all of them
(except this one) were curb side and I never had to arrange for
email@example.com (jegan) wrote in message >
I've never ordered anything large from Amazon but many
smaller orders have always been delivered without any
This is pretty standard proceedure. Most delivery trucks don't have
lift gates because they deliver to businesses that *do* have forklifts.
I've worked in the trucking/delivery business and in the shipping and
receiving business and this is the way it is. For the majority of
their deliveries a lift gate is useless and some liftgates actually
get in the way of a forklift. How many 500LB packages do most trucks
deliver to private residences? Not many. They charge extra because
it costs extra to schedule a truck with a liftgate. The driver will
sometimes have to do more work too. Ever try to maneuver a heavy
pallet with a pallet jack on an uneven liftgate? If the gate isn't
very flat it sucks. I've done it many times and the extra charge
is there for a good reason.
$92 is way more than I've ever paid or charged. $25 to $50 is more
like it but I guess it depends on the company. If the trucking
company doesn't have a local terminal then the long haul truck
has to have a lift gate or they have to arrange with a local company
to deliver it to your house from their loading dock. That might
explain the $92 extra charge. Or, the trucking company is a crook...
Would you mind posting that "super secret" phone number, please???
I've never had a problem that Amazon didn't handle immediately. Ok,
so I've only had one problem but it was handled right away.
Some motor carriers won't charge for a lift gate if they use them
a lot. But when I worked for a large plumbing and HVAC supply
company very few of the trucks that delivered to us had lift gates
and I'd see many of them on my route delivering to private
residences. Heave Ho!!!
I recently got a Jet 14" drill press from Amazon, and the semi driver
unloaded it into the driveway. he would have rolled it to the shop had
the way been clear....all with the Free Shipping, too...
I have had a number of heavy items shipped to my house by motor
freight. The Unisaw was the only time I have ever had to specifically
get involved and request lift-gate delivery. Every other time it was
automatic. The shipper that brought my saw was used one time before
without any problem.
My gripe with Amazon.com is that their customer service department
wouldn't acknowledge that they could even arrange for lift-gate
service. I had to communicate with them six times before I could get
them to help resolve the issue.
This is the only time I have had a problem with their service. I
ordered my saw from them primarily because of the high quality service
that I had received in the past. I will not use Amazon.com for any
large items like this again.
After my problem with Amazon.com I called woodworker.com and asked how
they would ship a Unisaw. The wonderful and very helpful woman I
talked to explained that they ALWAYS deliver heavy items as lift-gate
deliveries and the shipping cost was no different.
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