Dale,
I was worried about the same thing (thus my post). but everywhere else I've looked, this saw is selling for over $900. I don't know how or why Amazon has it so much cheaper, but there it is.
There was some discussion on this topic a few months ago. Apparently Amazon and a few other online sellers have some mad sales now and then. If you are patient, you can get some major discounts now and then. It ain't a conspiracy. It is standard operating procedure for some online gieants.
That's good to know. When I finally get all my pennies together for a jointer and planer I'll keep watch. :-)
I picked up a DJ-20 for $1179.00 with free shipping Feb 4 this year. They gave me a free Dewalt sawzall with it (too bad I already have 2 sawzalls).
What Leon is saying is in your favor ... and a practical way to look at the price. Considering that the biggest single improvement you can make to the utility of a table saw is a good fence system, the Beis, an excellent fence, makes your purchase particularly worthwhile at that price.
I Didnt mean to sound confrontational, it sounded more like he was saying the saw was crap and most of the cost of the saw was in the fence (though yes, the fence is vitally important). If I misunderstood you Leon, I am sorry.
I do not think there is any need to defend the honor of a table saw LOL, or to take swipes at someone else's tools. If this particular saw can be delivered to the door for under $700 it is a tremendous value. As I said before it is closer to a contractor saw than it is to a cabinet saw, but IMHO it competes head to head with the high end contractor saws which are excellent tools but cost $1000 + when equipped with a Beis fence. I think there is a lot of bang for the buck when you can catch this saw on sale at Amazon. If I had to pay full retail I would probably lean towards the Grizzly Hybrid because I think the bang for the buck would be better there.
Regards, Charlie
lol, Indeed I wasnt *defending* the honor of the table saw. Especially since I haven't used it yet! :-)
Its just difficult to gauge the weight of someone's "reviews" on the internet without knowing where they are coming from. Again, I really wasnt trying to be confrontational - just wondering where Leon was coming from. We can let that drop...
As for the saw - I am going to need a dado set and probably a new blade yes? What should I be looking for? The freud website recommended thin kerf blades for this "underpowered" saw. Is that the common consensus?
Hi Guys
I just caught on to this deal on Amazon and started doing some research on the saw. I currently run a Ryobi BT3100 with which I have been realtively happy. However, it requires constant tinkering to keep in alignment and seems to slow a little on some ripping operations (admittedly could be the power at outlet as much as the saw - a problem currently being addressed!)
In any event, I have been thinking about a cabinet saw (probably the Griz 1023). Do you feel the 36-717 is enough of an upgrade on the BT3100 that I would notice a lot of difference, or am i better to wait and either get the Griz when I have the cash or maybe look for a used 2 or 3hp cabinet saw? At a hair less than 700 bucks, this sure seems like a deal, but I have long ago learned that sometimes its worth paying more for the right tool in the first place than going through a series of upgrades. This is purely for hobby woodworking, maybe 10-15 bigger projects per year.
Thanks for the advice.
RE: Subject
Jack up a good fence and drive anything under it that calls itself a table saw and you will be happy.
IMHO, the Delta hybrid probably exceeds that definition.
Lew
If you see it for $900 and $600, it is obviously being over priced by some.
Based on the fact theat the Beis is "one" of the best fences that money can buy. I seriousely doubt that this particular saw is the best that money can buy.
No. If you buy an inexpensive new car and included in the price you get front and rear spoilers. Does it handle any better? I am just saying that half the money that you are spending on that saw is probably going towards the fence. What the fence costs Delta makes no difference since you cannot buy the saw for the same price Delta pays for it. Just because Delta or B&D owns Biesemeyer this does not mean that Delta does not pay Biesemeyer some mark up on cost. All things being equal, the fence and saw are probably equal in cost to Delta.
If this saw will be an upgrade for you, you will probably initially be happy with it. I used to be happy with my $375 saw with its added on $275 fence, and then one day I was not.
With your opening comment, Is the Delta Hybrid really bad? I thought you may have been looking for possible problems that the saw may have. The saw offers a darn good fence which will be beneficial when ripping boards. The fence does not improve power, durability, crosscut accuracy, etc.
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Something else to chew on. LOL.. I have owned a TS or two for almost 25 years. My first was a cast iron table Craftsman with a "1" hp motor. Like most every one else I tried this blade and that blade over and over. Basically, cheaper ones and mostly thin kerf. Sill I continued to look for the better blade. This went on for probably 7 or 8 years. Then one day while at my local resharpening shop I inquired about who makes a good combination blade. I was handed a Systematic combo with regular kerf and 50 teeth. I immediately questioned if a regular kerf would be a wise choice. I was told that I would have to push the wood a bit slower but I would be very happy with the blade. For the next 9 or 10 years I was very happy with and only used that single blade. Cuts were very smooth, accurate, and flat. That "1" hp motor was not under powered for that particular regular kerf blade. Today I use a regular kerf Forrest WWII on a Jet cabinet saw.
Basically, if you buy a premium quality regular kerf blade it will last you for many years and deliver better results than a thin kerf blade.
Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I've seen plenty of saws that no fence on the planet could save.
I just looked and the 36-717 is back to 949.00. Hopefully you got the saw for the lower price.
Now the 36-715 is going for 559.00, also a great price. I have got to stop torturing myself checking saw prices.
=Steve
I did end up getting it for 649 - minus $64 for the TOOLS10R promotion (which ends today). ABF is supposed to deliver on Wednesday.
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