It's an unfinished basement. The first-floor joists are exposed. I
expect that when these are finished, a very small percentage are even
sheetrocked. Most would have suspended ceilings, so no protection
there, either. I don't intend to finish the ceiling because it's my
shop (probably will cover the walls).
I was wondering if you were talking about some sort of treatment of
the I-beams themselves.
That's well (under-)stated! You just described the entire federal
That assumes you have an unlimited water supply. AFAIK, you need more
than a 3/4" street connection to support them. Then there's the
problem of false trips. It *does* happen and water will do as much
damage as a fire (that's most of the damage in most residential fires,
where the fire department "saves" the structure).
I was talking with some VFW folks when I was in VT. They were forcing
them to install a sprinkler system that was going to set them back
around $100K. The stupid part is that it's a one-story building, on a
slab, that has windows all around. You can't be more than ~30' from a
possible exit (and they're in all directions). But, rules are rules.
I would never call you a liar, Mike. Passive aggressive, maybe, but
never a liar. :-D
My question would be how much? How many of these have you seen?
Are you sure there was not cement bed under the tile/thin-set? Even a
thin one that perhaps could be mistaken for the thin-set used to attach
the tile? Perhaps there's something about Luan in this equation. I
know most 1/4' Luan is quite a different animal than other sheet goods
with how stiff Luan is compared to the stuff they put in the middle of
the sandwich. Perhaps that stuff in the middle allows for flexibility
like the Schluter Ditra sheets do.
Not arguing, here, just honestly curious.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
ALL the code is concerned about as far as residential fireproofing goes is
Give the resident time to recognize there is a fire and get out. In most
cases, that is a 20 minute burn through.
If the fire is severe enough to test the fireproofing of trusses and such,
there is nothing left to save, anyway. It is a total loss, and as such, the
fire department wages a protection battle to make sure it does not spread,
and that is the end of that. Pour water on from the outside, and let it
Ontario is considering requiring sprinklers in residences larger
than so many sq feet (or meters). This allows people to get out from
anywhere in the residence in case of a fire.
Also, firemen will often enter a sprinklered building to fight the
fire, thereby protecting property - when they will not enter a
nonsprinklered building the same size and construction under the same
conditions. And they will NOT enter a building with steel roof
trusses, while they WILL with timber, because timber chars and remains
strong long past the point where steel web joists soften, buckle, and
Despite so many nay sayers, I have made several outstanding things from
MDF. Anywhere that it has been cut, routed, or is just the porous edge
will soak up paint forever, so the trick is to seal the cuts. Drywall
compound works. shellac and latex metal primer work well also. You do
need to sand the edges with fine paper. It takes paint beatifully.
I have done a few things in high gloss black that I defy you to tell
what I used
Yes, I've said that the fire department's job is to save the
neighbor's house. I agree 100% but in this case there is *no*
fireproofing on the I-beams (completely unfinished basement). The
beams are exposed to the world, save for a little fiberglass stuffed
between (the all-important bottom rail is still bare). AFAIK, there
is no code that says the I-beams have to be covered. The house has a
On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:41:46 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
They're not going to save a house that's fully engulfed. A fire chief
of a midsize city once told me that if they have to use more than
50gal of water on a house fire, it's a likely total loss. It's not
the fire that does the damage, rather the smoke and in particular, the
water. He guaranteed that if he emptied his pumper on a house it
would be totaled.
He was a paid department chief, with over 20 years.
It will wreck everything in the house, from the sheetrock right down
to the trusses. If he could get by with 50gal, it was salvageable. A
bigger fire, requiring more water, not so much.
They carried 1000gal on the pumper. He guaranteed that the house
would be a total if he used it. It wasn't there for home fires.
Sorry, I'll take the word of someone I new (very well) over someone on
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