Is British Gas trying it on?

[IMM]

They were there first. CORGI came about to get rid of cowboy operators. The old gas boards were not cowboy operators. The likes of BG/Transco has a monopoly, so they should specify a minimum training level, and quals, and that is it. Then CORGI gives a certificate to Transco/BG men. It is ludicrous that they should pay to sit a test if they leave.

BG/Transco have QA depts, so are monitoring quality.

They can, it depends on how big they are.

An independent body can monitor how self certification is being implemented in organisations. SElf certification may only be to organisations of a minimum size.

The system needs updating.

[Andy Hall]

Maybe, maybe not. Again there is the point even in the old system that there was not independent accountability.

Presumably this is why there are arrangements for employers to be registered and for operatives not to have their own registration. If the employer is investing in training they should have a way to protect that investment rather than just training for their competitors or for people to set up on their own without cost.

Fine, but if they are still within the organisation, where are the independent checks and balances? I'm not suggesting that skulduggery goes on but the temptation and opprotunity is there.

Other firms of heating engineers? Outside CORGI control?

Although size is not a predictor of quality, the model that is being done for other industries is fairer.

That's true.

.andy

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[IMM]

Maybe yes. that was the case. Initially to join CORGI, you only needed to provide a C&Q qualification. I think they even accepted plumbing C&G. It was voluntary. The boards had strict tarining and qualification levels.

That was so, but the safety level of the gas boards spoke for itself. CORGI was to eliminate cowboy idepenedet ooperatiors. In the klate 1960s/early

1970s there were many explosions, none down to the gas boards, so action was taken, and CORGI came about.

In a privatised money grabbing world there is.

Don't know of any, and none are that big.

Size means they will the resource.

[Andy Hall]

The temptation is there regardless. In the public sector it is lack of control and competition resulting in complacency and laziness.

I didn't think that the legislation and HSE implementation permitted other than one organisation - i.e. CORGI to act as "regulator".

Although the various organisations involved in the Building Regulations Part P scam are of quite varying sizes.

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[IMM]

That is a silly comment to make.

[Andy Hall]

Simply an observation of what can and does happen. The point is really about opportunity and motivation.

You linked the terms "privatisation" and "money grabbing" together. That is silly. There is nothing wrong with a profit motive, provided that appropriate controls are in place.

.andy

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