GU10 Megaman bulbs

[John]

As a follow up on the problems with GU10 Megaman bulbs I have found in the packaging is a leaflet, this changes the claim yet again. In one part you are again wrongly told a life of 15.000 but hunt about with a magnifying glass and you find ?up to15,000 hrs?. So in this they are not even saying your average life may be 15,000 but that this is the maximum you can expect. This latter is in my experience the reality.

I was very keen to adopt low energy bulbs, but am now very concerned that they are to be hoisted on everyone when they are not any thing like what is claimed for them. The ?low? cost is on the bases of using cheep Chinese labour with low levels of heath and safety and wages. The energy costs are being reduced at the expense of China building coal fuelled generators so the pollution is merely being exported else where. And the actual savings don?t really exist any way as the live claimed is at best doubtful and possibly dishonest.

From my experience and the comments of those posting before I am now against low energy bulbs until they are able to produce a constant blight out put over there life time, have a life claimed that is actually honest, that the ?green benefits? are not just a the expense of Chinese workers and pollution.

As for the bulbs I have those I have receipts for I am now keeping a log and as soon as they fail within there clamed life they will go back to the retailer they came from for a refund or replacement. On current experience that means every single one of nearly 30 we have in the house will at some point be sent back. One they are finished with, its back to ?normal? bulbs for as long as we are able to get them, or the fraudulent low energy bulb is performing as claimed.

[robgraham]

manner that we use them that shortens their life - we switch them on and off umpteen times during even 100 hours of usage. How often does a bulb fail while actually on - extremely rarely, it is always at switch on.

I find that the GU10 are particularly bad for this and at the cost of replacement they are a serious expense. Both fittings I have have been replaced by inexpensive Ikea units using 12V bulbs with the hope that the degree of soft start built into the transformer will get over this to a certain extent.

Rob

[Derek Geldard]

You need a bigger magnifying glass.

I'm sure if you look *really* carefully it will say somewhere that to achieve the 15,000 hours you have to get Dynamo Hansen to come and bless your house.

He's the only one who's CFL's arent 33% dimmer than they say to start with, who's CFL's don't suffer from tube end blackening, don't suffer from the phosphor getting scoured away where the tube bends, don't produce a poor light with a nasty discontinuous spectrum, don't deteriorate over 12 months service (48% in my case), and have an average life longer than 6 - 18 months.

DG

[Mike Tomlinson]

In article , John writes

'blight' is the right word. I hate the quality of light these things give out and am stocking up on incandescents.

Will I have to watch out for the lightbulb police?

[Adam Aglionby]

Interestingly the Chinese are in fact building some of the cleanest coalfired plants in the world. They can then selll the accumulated carbon credits to companies in the west running belching old plant.

Economics are interetsing 2M GBP soent of adding desulph to coal fired plant gains carbon credits worth more than 10M GBP on the market.

One of the reasons they are opening a coal fired plant every week is they are extremeley profitable.

Wish could disagree,.

Adam

[Frank Erskine]

Is that right?

[Adam Aglionby]

Americans calling the Chinese polluters, pot meet kettle, depends who statisitics you believe, this one puts US as largest polluter till

2009:

another view

ones mentioned Australia with a high dependency on coal fired and how the UK uses a large amount of Australian coal, thats fuel with a carbon footprint for sure.Seems unlikely they unload it at Newcastle.

Adam

[Andy Champ]

Australians do indeed use a lot of fossil fuel - I heard once, more per head than any other nation.

However, there are 300 million Americans, 1300 million Chinese, and about 20 million Australians, so the high per-capita numbers are low total numbers.

Andy