For peer review, new FAQ section: Power Tools.

[Andy Hall]

Yes, and actually unless you are going to drive really large screws, a relatively small tool will work well because it can be highly geared.

[Andy Hall]

Phil, I think you'll find that by the time the font etc. is reduced for going onto a web page this won't be so large.

Also, I feel that having a quite structured introduction is a good idea.

From several recent threads, I think that it's become clear that there are ranges of views on

a) tool selection criteria. I'm probably towards one end of the spectrum on that, there are some people at the other and a range of different views in between. I think that if we include these as John has done, then it is easy to point people to the FAQ section and they can figure out for themselves where they sit. This would go some way towards avoiding apples and pears arguments when the "customer" wanted to buy bananas.

b) scope of DIY. This feeds into a) to some extent. I have a very broad view of what it includes which goes quite some way beyond putting up a few shelves (the IoP definition of DIY). Again, as you have suggested below, this plays a part in a).

That's a good idea. Sections like this could be slotted in as and when and should be relatively timeless.

I'd say dust extraction anyway, possibly face mask and definitely eye and ear protection :-) but I take your point.

I do think it's important to try to keep sections like this generic rather than getting manufacturer and model specific. Otherwise there will be a lot of work in keeping it up to date as well as it becoming enormous.

[stejonda]

In message , Andy Hall writes

the Institute of Psychiatry has a definition of DIY ???

[Jeff]

Phil Addison wrote :-

I don't have another mains drill, but why on earth would you want normal hammer when you have sds ?

Regards Jeff

[Doctor Evil]

That is true. You can ask at the enquiry desk at Wickes and they will tell you were it is made. If it is Germany, it is a Kress. The more knowledgeable people there will tell you the OEM name.

The point is that Wickes grey range is not like B&Q, Homebase, Focus ranges. They are sourced from pro makers.

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[John Rumm]

As an aside, Wickes (grey) and Kress are not synonomous... for example the Wickes 1/2" rebadged router is made by Freud not Kress. Nice router, shame is they charge more for it that Freud do!

[Doctor Evil]

A cheap "percussion", some SDSs are being described as "rotary hammer", with a new, small, masonry bit can drill a nice neat hole in brick which an SDS would have difficulty doing.

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[Doctor Evil]

!invaluable", a bit more convenient you mean. A mains driver will outperform a battery driver. I was screwing in about 200 6" screws. The 12v would not look at them. What I did it was use the SDS with a driver bit in. The very slow speed and high torque meant the srews went in no problem. Also, when screwing down floorboards with 2.5" screws, the 12v Bosch could only just manage. Some screws needed a mains drill on them to get them home.

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[Doctor Evil]

They can easily break your wrist.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

If I've got lots to do, like floorboards, I use my mains drill for screwing.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

I'm not sure what the SDS hammer action would do to an ordinary masonry drill?

I'd certainly advise against *buying* a keyless chuck for an SDS - ok I suppose if it comes for free. Might be worth it if you're a jobbing pro to avoid carting around an ordinary drill as well. But not for DIY.

[Dave Liquorice]

love?

Bosch.

Wickes

Consistent at least. B-)

Bear in mind that Black & Decker and DeWalt(*) are a bit like Bosch green/blue they just try to hide it better.

[Jeff]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote :-

My opinion is based on owning the bosch with interchangable chucks for 3+ years. Together with a pair of 12v cordless I cannot see a need for anything else. Without the swappable chuck then yes you would also need a normal mains drill aswell. As a first purchase for a serious diy'er I could not think of a better tool, you have sds, drilling and screwing all in the one quality package.

Regards Jeff

[Jim Alexander]

Agree that SDS is superior system to hammer but to answer your question as I found out when my Makita SDS drill packed up, a cheapo 700W hammer drill handles up to 8mm holes in masonry, thats most of my requirements, adequately well at considerably less cost and less than half the weight of a SDS drill. Up a ladder that may equate to more safely and some cheap SDS drills weigh considerably more to the point of being unmanageable.

Jim A

[Doctor Evil]

Even with 8mm and a new masonry bit, with some bricks it can be hard going. An SDS just sails through.

BTW, did you get the Makita fixed? If so how much did it cost?

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[John Rumm]

New draft posted in a separate thread....

[Andy Hall]

That depends on the SDS.....

[Andy Hall]

Plumbers.

Look it up and you will feel like heaving a brick through their window........

[Doctor Evil]

SDSs are designed for big stuff.

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[bigcat]

IMlimitedE the hammer action of sds is far OTT for drilling some bricks, and can smash them to pieces before the hole is done. Just a little hammer can be a good thing sometimes.

NT