Hello,
My brother is a fully qualified electrican for one of britains biggest electrical contractors (25 years experience).
He has got all his qualifications (is it 16th edition?), can he work on my house with new regs that have come in
or do I have to get a cowboy out of the yellow pages whose work i wouldn't trust.
Sorry if this question has been asked before.
Thanks
If the work comes under Part P, he can do the work, or you can in most circumstances. You then need to get it inspected by an _approved_ contractor (one who has registered & paid for a certificate) which you brother MAY be, or the the building control dept.
That's a confusing way of putting it, as it suggests you always need to get the work 'inspected'. The Part-taking-the-Pee scheme doesn't work that way: rather, it says 'if the work's done by someone belonging to a company which has paid the cartel joining fee, it doesn't need to be separately inspected'. Oddly enough, it doesn't call it a 'cartel joining fee'; but that's the effect, since there's *no* requirement that the particular individual doing the work be competent...
Confusing? I THINK the question is "Can my brother do the work?". If he is in the cartel, yes and no inspection. If he's not in the cartel, he can still do the work, but an inspection is "required".
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:05:17 +0000, Andrew Chesters strung together this:
But if he's working for a larger contractor then the cartel registration will only cover him for work carried out through that company. If he does it as a foreigner then it will need inspecting by a third party.
You have until the end of march to complete work already 'started', otherwise an major electrical work being done, building control must be informed either by an approved domestic installer, or yourself the homeowner for which a fee will be charged.
If your brother already works for an approved contractor/domestic installer, and the company allows him to submit the appropriate paper work through their registration, you won't need building control.
But like I said "You have until the end of march to complete work already started"
Another elctrician who is Part P registered coannot issuse a Completion Certificate for another electricians work, he can however issue a Periodic inspection and test certificate, with out the Part P notification issues.
Steve Dawson
Just go ahead and do it - ignore this stupid nonsense.
(snip)
Reading this thread (along with the many that have preceeded it on this notorious subject) I found myself moved to wonder whether our beloved govt has sailed too close to European competition law in this, which is draconian in it's dealing with what *it* identifies as cartels. Now I know the govt response is safety based (although very questionable indeed) but I must admit to wishing to see the hodge podge of regulation that has gone through tested under competion law by a suitably specialising competition law lawyer.
All we need is a martyr who runs foul of part P who (on legal aid of course) is prepared to take a case all the way on these grounds (and no, I'm not volunteering), to get the matter suitably scrutinised. It wouldn't be the first time our lords and masters ran foul of Brussels with one of their wheezes..... come to think of it, I think all you have to do is complain to them as an affected party (DG4 IIRC?).
Ah well, it's a nice thought
Tim
Not arguing, but if that is right, how are BCO's going to get another certified person to pass a diyers installation?. And how come NEICE registered companies only need one person in the company to hold the required certificate.
Dave
Look at this from us professional's point of view.
Until January I was capable and skilled at wiring up any centra heating plan you mention, and installing a fused spur to a new boile installation.
Now I'm barred.
At great expense I can have a stay of execution until 2,008. That is can join corgi's scheme.
Initial assessment £200 Anual Fee £170 Test equipment £1,000
6 year Insurance backed guarantee £500? (estimate) Access to adequate resources £300? (estimate) Plus a cost of registering every job with corgi (who would kindly han over the list to big brother)Initial cost assuming I pass the £200 test £2,170 to carry on doing m job in my usual fashion which I was time served, competency proven an qualified to do.
Then by 2008 I'll have to get my 16th edition or similar qualificatio or I'll be back where I am today.
difficult to see how this is going to pan out but the consumer wil have to pay for it in the end
-- Paul Barker
You're mixing "Part P registered-to-self-certify" with "competant to perform a periodic inspection".
The former allows the contractor to wire, complete and self certify without involving the BCO (under the circumstances specified in the rules).
If the BCO is involved via a Building Notice, then the BCO can do a number of things at his choice, one of which is to arrange for an inspection to be done by his dept. or an agent, or ask you to provide an installation inspection certificate done by a person who meets the BCO's criteria.
One council round here will send an agent to test, one down the road will ask me to arrange for a periodic to be done at my cost. The latter seems to be taking the piss, but in balance that particular council (so they claim) interfere to the least degree possible during the work, which is a bonus.
Timbo
So hows that different to what the other post said? You still have to get someone to pass a diy installation with regard to Part P. So another electrician or person competent has to pass someone elses work
Dave
Well it's possible I misunderstood the flow:
I read that as you were saying that the BCO's need the inspection done by a part-P self-certification registered person. They don't, their are the BCO.
The person certifying the DIY work is not doing so under part P directly (and cannot as part P self-certification cannot be applied to third party work as others have also said). They are proving an inspection and certificate under BS7671 to satisfy the BCO so that *he* may sign off the job under part P.
If I've misunderstood, ignore me, it's too early in the morning anyway (for Sunday) ;/
Tim
So, any DIY person can do electrical work as long as he notifies loca Building Control, they inspect and test, and you pay the fee? How muc is the fee
-- Hands On
One Kent LBA and one E.Sussex LBA are both charging 100+VAT for the Building Notice Application. It can vary.
Tim
I see what your saying now
Cheers
Dave
Lord! Whatever happened to " An Englishman's home is his castle' ?
I've done all the electrical work on my house for the past 30+ years, and I don't intend to start asking some snotty-nosed jerk from the local council offices if I've done it right.
When I'm dead and gone and someone wishes to buy the house, they can have the wiring inspected at their expense, if they so wish.
What with being told that I have to bond the metal toothbrush holder to the metal toilet roll holder in the bathroom in case there should magically appear a lethal voltage between the two, I 've had enough of these nanny-state Regulations ! :-))
Rant over, don't even start me on window glass regulations , Corgi , MoTs or the Scots....
Guess I must remain anonymous in case the Regulation Police come around!
Somebody here said that they were trying to control phone wiring. Not sure if this is true but such is specifically excluded from all controls by an agreement between the DTI and their equivalents throughout the EU so hopefully Ofcom will stamp on this if it ever does happen.
It's not the person doing the work that must be trained. The actual worker may be a completely incompetent untrained monkey. It is the company that must be qualified, so a huge 1000 person operation with 999 monkeys and one "qualified" operator who sits on his arse all day is allowed to work, whilst a one man band with 25 years experience is not considered acceptable as he doesn't line the pockets of the politicians enough.
BTW, it is only the signing off that requires the qualification. Anyone can do the actual work. If it isn't signed off, you need to get building control round to do it.
Christian.
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