This week school's out and houses in my neighborhood are getting
toilet papered. Originally, I thought these houses had someone in
school sports or the house has a coach, but this is not the case. I
guess toilet papering a house is not vandalism, but certainly can be
classified as littering (a $50 fine, max). At one house they
spray-painted "Ha Ha :)" on their concrete driveway. What can be
done? What can one do to prevent their house/trees to be toilet
That's easy enough: don't be an asshole. Assholes are the only ones I can
recall ever getting their houses rolled when I was in school. As a result, I
make it a point never to give the neighborhood kids a hard time. And in over 20
years in the same house, I've never been rolled, egged, or vandalized.
As a former egger, spray painter, and TP vandal, I can tell you most of the
time I did not even know who lived in the house or drove the car I was
The only thing that set me straight was getting my ass kicked...
and it took a couple of ass kickings but I got the message
of course that was a different time 1980's, I think you can't do much
nowadays, maybe just tazzer the bastards a few times?
Don\'t you have Google in your part of the world?
have ZERO interaction with the local teenage population. 3 other houses
in this small subdivision also got papered, apparently at random.
Curiously, none of the every-third-house dogs apparently started
barking, and they bark at everyone, even people that walk by every damn
day. (Guess they have an 'off duty' window in the wee hours or
something...) I suspect the papering is just a teenage bonding ritual.
When we were young, about 5 of us were camping out at the dead end in
a neighborhood subdivision.
Believe it or not, we were innocent. A house in the subdivision was
rolled. The cops came to where we were camping and we were naturally
accused of the "crime"
It turned out that a neighbor to the house that was rolled woke up
because her huge dog was barking. She saw the people that did it and
she could tell the cops it wasn't us. I don't know if they caught the
people that did it, but I was sure glad she was around.
I think shooting someone for rolling your yard would be a little
excessive. I do think shooting someone over a lawnmower could serve
as a good deterrent.
Texas Penal Code 9.42 DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY
A person is justified in jusing deadly force against another to protect land
or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against another (to prevent
damage or to recover his own property); and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believe the deadly force is
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary,
robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or CRIMINAL
MISCHIEF DURING THE NIGHTTIME (emphasis added);
YSMV (your state may vary)
Warning: If you kill the goblin, the cops will sequester your weapon until
their investigation completes. We had a 70-year old fellow in Dallas last
week who had to buy a THIRD goddamn shotgun because the cops keep
confiscating his weapon every time he kills a burglar!
Least the cops could do is provide a "loaner." It's not like they don't HAVE
any shotguns! Bah.
Some moron posted the law about using deadly force to protect property,
because he thinks it applies to kids toilet papering trees. Then, he needed
to include an anecdote about shotguns because he gets all tingly in his
panties when he talks about weapons.
it means there may not be much TPing occurring in Texas.
you could get shot for it.
Not all locales protect criminals during the commission of their crime.
I wish Florida would adopt such language in their legal code.
It sorta does. The recent (2005) passage of Florida's "Castle Doctrine" law
establishes the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes
into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily
harm. You may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that
It doesn't matter that the intruder was drunk, or negligent, or mistaken.
Further, you may not be sued for any damages sustained by the victim.
How all this silliness came about:
For generations (well, at least since the Magna Carta in 1216), there exited
in either black-letter or common law the notion that one's home is a
"castle" and, to remain inviolate, the owner had the unquestioned right to
repel intruders by any means necessary. And that right could not be
gainsayed by anyone.
Then a bunch of egg-heads got together and promulgated the "Model Penal
Code" in 1976. The so-called "Castle Doctrine" was absent from the MPC and
state legislatures, with modest tinkering, adopted the thing wholesale. So
the Castle Doctrine disappeared.
Thanks to publicity Florida generated (mainly) many states have repaired
this deficiency in their state laws.
Many years ago, Florida abandoned the "concealed weapon" term and used
"plain site" later. If the Po Po could see the gun on the seat, or
_plain view_ it was not a Felony for concealment.
In reality you could walk around with a side arm, but was not allowed
to display or carry a rifle/shotgun in the pickup back window while in
the city limits of Miami. Or government buildings for a side arm.
I support any law that says I DON'T have to"retreat to the wall",
before I'm allowed to fire... That's just Oren.
"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."
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