Replace in-ground pool, vinyl liner

We need to replace our in-ground pool vinyl liner. Has anyone any comments on this experience? It is a simple rectangle shape. I was wondering if the thickness 20mil or 30mil? Here in the North East, it has to warmer temps to install. What about this Ameri-Shield? This is an extra piece of vinyl that matches the perimeter of your new liner? It is secured above the liner in the same track via a "T" lock system. It hangs down into the water a few inches. Anyone use this?
Thanks TP
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 01:23:28 GMT, TP

===========I have no clue as to what that Amen-shield is... My Vinyl Liner/concrete bottom pool is 30 odd years old and I installed all 3 of the liners that I have needed....
Thicker Vinyl is in my opinion better.....As for installing one all you really need is to identify the corners (usually marked) and snap it in place....remove about 6 inches of liner fromt he coping insert a vac hose from a good shop vac... and the liner will be sucked inplace... turn off vac...adjust liner yada yada until it is wrinkle free.... Not hard... From memory it was NOT really warm outside when I replaced the liner ...early spring for the replacements...original went in in November.... Located in the Balto/Washington area
Bob Griffiths
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Bob G. wrote:

Thanks Bob. This amen-shield :-) looks like a good idea. I'm not sure if I could fit 2 beads in the original groove. Check out this amen--thingy web site? http://www.websweeper.com/php/pool_liners/ig-009.php
I did help install the liner, 13 years ago. Just like you said shopvac and move it around. Got a layer of foam over the concrete bottom. I only worry about cutting the drain/return and stairs, wrong. Oops there goes a new liner quick.
TP
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======================================I just did take a look at the Amen-thingy..... lol...and to be very honest I think IT WOULD, at least in my case extend the life of the liner...
As I said I am on my 3rd liner... and in each and every case the old liner simply dry rotted above the water line ....and always on the side and one end where the sun hits the pool the most.... this amen thingy would also be effected by years of sun lite etc BUT the liner itself would be protected... Interesting... instead of getting 12 years out of a liner it would last 20 years....LOL...
As for attaching it is the same "slot"....they do make strips that can be directly scrrewed into the walls just below the coping in effect giving you a completely new channel to snap the liner into... not expensive.
I would not worry about cutting the liner for the returns, or skimmers... You do this when the pool water level is just an inch or so below the area where you need to cut...almost impossible to cut the liner wrong... the shop vac and the water inside the pool keeps everything tight ....main drain is the hardest but again on a scale of 1 to 10... ten being hard... its at 1 or 0,5...
I figure my liner has another 7-8 years of live in it and I am now in my 60's and do not know if I physically could install another liner in my 70's (old arthritis yada yada)...but I will keep that amen thingy in mind...
Good luck
Bob Griffiths
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 01:23:28 GMT, TP

Hey TP!
I am on my second vinyl lined inground pool. There are hundreds of places to buy vinyl liners for your pool. Just set your web browser on the "Google" search engine and plug in a search word like "pool liners" or "pool liner manufacturers". You will be amazed what pops up!
With my first pool, it was about seven years before I thought I ought to replace the liner. They become brittle after a few years and develop cracks and leaks which you can easily patch if you don't want to spring for a new liner. Somewhere about $1000 is a typical price. On my first liner replacement I watched one man bring the liner to the pool in a box with a hand truck...slide the box down into the pool and place it in the center of the pool...open the box and unfold the pool liner stretching it across the pool like a giant bedspread...he stuck the edge of the liner into the slot in the coping on top of the pool wall...when you stick the edge of the liner into the coping and then let the weight of the liner hang down the wall...it forms a mechanical lock into the coping and won't slip out...unless you pull it back up at a 90 degree angle to the pool wall...
After the pool liner installer got the liner attached to the coping all the way around the pool he attached it around the steps at the end of the pool with sealing strips screwed into the sides of the steps. Then he simply cut out the extra piece of liner covering the entrance to the steps with a box cutter. Also, he had to attach the liner to the main drain, the skimmer box and the automatic pool cleaner fittings protruding through the pool wall. These fittings basically have a flange face that the liner lays across and you place a ring on the other side of the liner...cut holes or drill holes through it to attach the ring and seal it up watertight.
At this point he disconnected the liner from the coping...just a small section maybe an eight inch section...he then slipped a narrow flat shaped suction nozzle from a very high powered vacuum blower right between the liner and the pool wall and started sucking the air out from between the liner and the ground underneath. As the suction continued for five or six hours with the sun shining on it and warming it up...all the wrinkles stretched out and the liner was stretched tightly and formed neatly to the bottom and pool walls.
Next he started filling it with water...keep in mind the vacuum is still on until you get the water at least a foot deep in the shallow end of the pool...
It ain't rocket science folks...as a matter of fact I think the people who put my pool in the first time were were of rather low intelligence because when they assembled the pool walls after excavating the pool hole in the ground...they could not read a transit level accurately...thus one side of the pool was two inches lower than the other side...when the wife and I got in the pool and looked at opposite sides it looked like the the pool was leaning down hill! I raised hell with the contractor and had to threaten to take him to court before he came back and half assed fixed it. He broke up the concrete on the "low" side of the pool and put wooden strips under the coping to raise it up a little.
You can do it yourself and save a bundle!
Double click on this website for some ideas... http://www.discountpoolliners.com/liner_installation.htm
If you search Google you will find alot more helpful information...
Regards, Bill
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