# Quartz Space Heater

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• posted on January 29, 2007, 7:13 pm

When I was a kid, in the Pacific Northwest, electricity was \$.02/KwH. My Father, the Banker, was a Depression KId, and had a fetish about turning off the lights, in rooms that were unoccupied. He would get very angry at us kids for "Wasting Electricity". In 7th Grade, I wrote a Paper for Science Class on the efficency of an "All Electric House" which we lived in. Got an "A" on the Paper, and after my Father read it, he quit ragging on us kids about the lights, but only durning the winters. Summers were still a bit of a hassel........
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• posted on January 28, 2007, 11:03 pm

Not sure that is 100% true. There is lots of waste heat, but the refrigeration system is expending energy pumping heat out of the refrigerated area, just so it can gradually be absorbed back from your heated home. At the end of the day, does all of the energy that the refrigerator uses really show up as waste heat in the room?
Vaughn

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• posted on January 28, 2007, 11:37 pm
Hi Vaughn;
> > If you have a refrigerator that consumes 500 watts > > of electricity and it runs continuously, it's > > producing exactly the same amount of heat as five > > 100 watt light bulbs.
> Not sure that is 100% true. There is lots of waste > heat, but the refrigeration system is expending > energy pumping heat out of the refrigerated area, > just so it can gradually be absorbed back from your > heated home. At the end of the day, does all of the > energy that the refrigerator uses really show up > as waste heat in the room?
Of course it does. If the refrigerator is consuming an average of 500W it delivers an average of 500W. That's just basic physics.
There is a "cool" exception, but this was not included in the original question.
During the heating season take liquid tap water in a container, freeze it in the freezer, and throw the resultant ice out doors.
In addition to the power needed to run the refrigerator you will have extracted some of the heat in the water.
Cool huh!
> Vaughn
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• posted on January 28, 2007, 11:38 pm
Hi Vaughn;
> > If you have a refrigerator that consumes 500 watts > > of electricity and it runs continuously, it's > > producing exactly the same amount of heat as five > > 100 watt light bulbs.
> Not sure that is 100% true. There is lots of waste > heat, but the refrigeration system is expending > energy pumping heat out of the refrigerated area, > just so it can gradually be absorbed back from your > heated home. At the end of the day, does all of the > energy that the refrigerator uses really show up > as waste heat in the room?
Of course it does. If the refrigerator is consuming an average of 500W it delivers an average of 500W. That's just basic physics.
There is a "cool" exception, but this was not included in the original question.
During the heating season take liquid tap water in a container, freeze it in the freezer, and throw the resultant ice out doors.
In addition to the power needed to run the refrigerator you will have extracted some of the heat in the water.
Cool huh!
> Vaughn
Duane
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• posted on January 29, 2007, 2:01 am
Vaughn Simon wrote:

Yes.
Graham

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• posted on January 29, 2007, 7:15 am

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Consumed electric is consumed electric, no matter how you use it.
A watt is a watt, just as a BTU is a BTU...

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• posted on February 1, 2007, 5:21 am
But people are still trying to say that a watt is so many degrees is so many Hz is so many mph.

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• posted on February 1, 2007, 5:44 pm
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:21:04 -0500, "Solar Flare"

How many gallons are in a light year? :-)

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• posted on February 1, 2007, 9:00 pm

In Sir Francis Drake's time, it was sometimes asked "how many galleons to the mile".... :-)
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• posted on January 29, 2007, 7:05 pm
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Yes Vaughn, it does all end up in heat, in the room, which then leaks out of the house and heats the outside world, which then also leaks off the planet and heats SPACE..... wheather it is "Waste Heat" is a matter of Politics.......
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• posted on January 30, 2007, 1:40 am

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But there is no heat in space... it's 0 degrees Kelvin

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• posted on January 30, 2007, 12:24 pm
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Actually, it's a tiny bit higher than that.
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• posted on January 30, 2007, 3:20 pm
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:24:46 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

Yes. "0 degrees Kelvin" (isn't that called "0 Kelvins" now?) is a form of perfection. Perfection is one of the few things that cannot exist.
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

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• posted on January 30, 2007, 7:24 pm

There is no such thing as "0 Degrees Kelvin"... What Grade School Physics Class did you flunk out of? If that were true, all Dark Matter would dissaccociate, and Physics as we understand it wouldn't work at all. If there is no heat in space, then where does the waste heat go, that the Heat Dissipating Panels, that line the Shuttle Cargo Bay Doors go?.... Space is not a void. It has Gas, Dust, and all kinds of Particles, moving around in it. These all have energy associated with them, when referenced to Earth, or any other reference point you can name. That energy, will ulltimatly be transfered into heat when those things interact with any other matter, or energy, in which they come in contact, or influence.
where do you guys come up with this stuff..... Idiot's R' Us........

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• posted on January 30, 2007, 10:45 pm

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Ok Mr Pissy... space is 2.7 Kelvin
But if you measured the temp with NO light, or radiation, it would be 0 Kelvin.
Happy Now?

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• posted on January 31, 2007, 7:05 pm

No, you still got it WRONG... In Space, there is NO place where there isn't Light, Radiation, Gas, Dust, Particles, ect. So therefor, one CAN'T measure 0 Degrees Kelvin, and even "IF" you could find such a place in the Universe, that had these conditions, just what are you planning to USE to measure it. Anything, you use, would then bring energy into that space, and would raise the temp ABOVE 0 Degrees Kelvin. Also, one can't have Atoms, or even Protons and Neutrons, at 0 Degress Kelvin, as they would dissaccociate into their Basic Particles, long before you could ever get near 0 Degrees Kelvin, at minimum, or maybe down to their component Energy Strings, if one believes String Theory, to be the way of the Universe. Actually, "IF" String Theory, is correct, at 0 Degrees Kelvin, all String Energy would cease to exist, which would also mean that at 0 Degrees Kelvin, the Universe would cease to exist.
It seems you couldn't even graduate for the Idiot's R' Us School of Physics..........

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• posted on January 31, 2007, 8:36 pm

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I could care less... I don't ever plan to go there to find out.

If you want to argue... go Google and argue with the information they provide to you.
I really don't care what the temperature of space is...

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• posted on February 1, 2007, 6:41 pm

I am not arguing with you, I am only pointing out that your statements are not "Based in Fact"...... and as such, once pointed out, you should acknowledge that, and GO AWAY, untill you learn a bit more about the subject at hand..... and not "Parret" BS you read on the Internet....
You If it is on the Internet, it MUST be True......... NOT....

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• posted on February 1, 2007, 2:31 am

And there is another theory that this has already happened. The universe has ceased to exist, and has been replaced by something even more inexplicable. :-)

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• posted on February 1, 2007, 5:21 am