On 11/29/2015 12:59 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
Our carpet/upholstery cleaner is like that -- frequently requires cleaning,
filters "out of sight" so you don't realize they exist or might need cleaning.
The carpet attachment for our vacuum likes to grab hair and wrap it
'round-n-'round. PITA to remove it (tip: *cut* it off!)
No, just indicating that the filter on our carpet cleaner *is* (you have
to turn it upside down -- recalling that it typically contains lots of
LIQUID -- to access the filter).
I think many people are unaware of which devices *have* filters or that those
filters need to be cleaned/replaced periodically. My experiences with bits
of electronic technology confirm this (and I suspect most folks have at
least one PC/laptop!). From there, sorting out HOW to clean it would be
yet another challenge, for many! :-/
[E.g., this computer runs 24/7 and has a very small fan. So, easily
blocked with dust, etc. As a result, I clean it (while running)
every week or two -- and clean the entire machine a few times a year
(whenever it is powered down for some form of maintenance or relocation)]
You can still buy the old standby Kirby - still not inexpensive, and
still, as my wife says "you need to be an engineer to operate the
thing". Well, to her it's complex anyway - but it's one brand you can
actually still buy parts for.
For canisters you pretty well need to buy an industrial unit to get
any quality - and even then it's a crap-shoot.
We put in a Beam central a few decades ago and have not looked back -
On 11/29/2015 2:07 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I think it would be too "heavy" for SWMBO. AFAICT, they were not
"self propelled" so you had to move a fair bit of mass around to
Something intended for use in hotels, perhaps? (I assume you DON'T
As I replied to Tony, up-thread, this house just wouldn't easily
accommodate anything like that. They opted to lift the ceilings
when they built it instead of creating a (small) space above them
for "services". It makes *everything* into a major project -- instead
of a "day job". You're always cutting and patching drywall to
add/remove/relocate/repair anything! I've been trying to sort out
how I can run a water line from upstream of the water softener at
the FRONT of the house to the kitchen sink at the BACK. :<
[I now understand why I've seen homes where the water softener is
located *behind* the house and 100 ft of copper pipe runs on the OUTSIDE
of the house *to* the softener (from the actual municipal water inlet)
and another 100 ft runs BACK to rejoin the intended water inlet.
Anyone stumbling across such would shake their head in disbelief
Been waiting to see if anyone else would
mention. I require uprights to have top
fill bags (like Hoover A). It is total
stupidity, I think, to have bottom fill
bag, such as Hoover C.
Once in a while, the removable hose (like
Versamatics) comes in handy. But, a small
shop vac will do for vacuuming under the
Get one that vacuums too high. Wait till other
vacuum cleaners blink at you. Keep vacuuming.
Refuse to get the vacuum cleaner adjusted lower.
Blame the factory. Blame Shop Vacs. Compare your
vacuum cleaner to other brands. Blame the factory,
again. Refuse to get your vacuum cleaner adjusted,
because even if you've had it for years, it's still
the factory's fault.
Repeatedly post to AHR list via web portal such as
Home Owners Hub, and tell us that the machine
vacuums too high, and it's the factory's fault.
You mean you don't get door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesmen dropping
by? Me either.
The best you can do for "advice" is look at Youtube videos. There's a
lot of them out there.
I've got a Bissell Powerforce Bagless. 50 bucks at Walmart about 7-8
years ago. You can see what you've picked up, and you can wash the 3
filters. We liked it so much after a week that I picked up another
one, and it's still in the unopened box in the garage.
No, just delusional Mormons trying to "save our souls". :> Or, JW's
on a similar mission.
The problem with "testimonials" is you have no clue as to the skill
level, experience or wisdom of the folks making them!
We lamented the lack of *qualified* service people, here, at a party
some years ago. One neighbor volunteered "Oh, use XXX! We do!"
(XXX didn't sound like a good choice but I bit my tongue).
Not 5 minutes later, same neighbor was grumbling about how often
XXX screwed things up for them. I.e., first hand experiences
they'd had! Yet, 5 minutes earlier, they were eager to "inflict"
this (poor) service on us!? <frown> Note to self: disregard
most advice from said neighbors!
One of the librarians gave us a recommendation for washer/dryer when
we were soliciting advice. We ended up going with her recommendation.
Less than 18 months later, washer broke (with very little usage in
our tiny household!). An obvious bad design choice on the manufacturer's
part. When we recounted this to librarian some time later, she replied:
"Oh, I've already replaced the washer *and* dryer; we had problems
with both of them!"
[OK, can't fault her for the unfortunate recommendation as she hadn't
YET encountered those problems at the time of the recommendation. But,
this illustrates how "sensitive" recommendations can be to actual
experience! Most folks are eager to boast about new purchases -- no
one wants to claim they screwed up and bought a piece of crap! But,
do those feelings translate to long term satisfaction? What if
you're the type that replaces things often? How reliable would your
recommendation be for someone who hangs onto things for longer
Yet another upright... :<
Yikes! I think the tiny "toy" vacuums are more than that! Some of the
things we've seen qualify as "big purchases" at 10X that price!
*3* filters? Are they all installed at the same time? Or, do you
swap them out (while cleaning one, use another)?
It provides visuals at least. Looking at this one I saw right away
the guy had it set high from the ground, which is why he left crumbs
on the carpet. Then when he lowered the setting he just pushed away
big pieces. C'mon.
Any "normal" person would just tilted the machine back to pick up the
big stuff. Jesus, it's not rocket science.
Actually, a more serious problem with some products is
"discontinuation." Often a model that's good is no longer offered.
What good does a five year review do on something that's not available
Which is no longer offered. Looks like the Bissell Powerforce Helix
Bagless has replaced it. I don't know why the "Helix."
Lucky I have that unopened older model in the garage, huh?
But I expect I won't need it.
I grew up with cannisters. Why? They didn't make uprights.
Be my guest to pay 10x. It's a frickin vacuum cleaner.
All installed at the same time. Probably most people don't know
there's a small filter for the motor.
They're all easily removed/washed.
Exactly. Look at the quality of the reviewer before trusting the review.
Yup. *Too* often!
OTOH, a review after "day 4" probably doesn't tell you much of anything!
SWMBO bought some jeans, recently. A hard-to-find style. She was tickled
with them -- and, more importantly, with the service the saleswoman provided!
On returning home, we both commented about how unusual it was, nowadays,
to get such service and comprehensive knowledge of her "products".
SWMBO ordered two more pair which had to come in from another store.
Fine. "Should be in on Thursday" (this was a Saturday) "We'll call
you when they come in"
So pleased were we with the service, that we made a point of filling out
the optional survey suggested by the URL on the sales receipt (as a rule,
we tend not to do these things). she gave the store -- and particularly
the saleswoman (who we later discovered was the store MANAGER -- important
for what follows!) -- a glowing review!
Thursday came. No call. OK, maybe they forgot. SWMBO is eager to get
them (different colors -- WTF do you need different color JEANS??) so
we decided to give them a tickle before heading out on our shopping
"No, I don't see them here" (different salesperson) "And, I can't find
the order; she's got her own way of doing things (and, she's the boss,
so I can't criticize her). Let me take your number and give you a call
back when I get in touch with her..."
A few more days pass. Still no call. Try again.
Same sales *guy*. Again asks for phone number to "call us back".
Of course, call never comes.
A few weeks later, order the same pants on amazon -- for a net savings
of $14 -- and call to cancel the order at the retail store.
We came away from this feeling annoyed that we'd given them such a
good review -- prematurely! Had we included the "service" associated
with the followup purchase (i.e., the two pair "on order"), the review
would have been exactly the opposite!
Cheap insurance. I had a pair of walking shoes many years ago that were
perfect! When they wore out, they were no longer offered for sale!
In hindsight, I would have purchased 6 pairs! The cost of fronting
the money prematurely would have been offset by the effort I later
expended -- in vain -- looking for an alternate source (new-old-stock,
We had an "electric broom" when I was a kid -- in addition to the
cylindrical canister. It didn't see much use.
Exactly. We're not looking to make a fashion statement or impress
the neighbors ("Hey, come on over and have a look at my new VACUUM
As I said, elsewhere, the best vacuum I had was a Panny canister.
Not very impressive but it "got the job done" and never gave me
OK, similar to the little metal filter behind the scrubbing brushes
in our carpet cleaner.
(People NEVER clean filters! It's absolutely disgusting to look inside
some of the PC's I've repaired over the years. "Ick! Remind me never
to eat at YOUR house! Look at all this cat fur!!")
I'm not deulusional. I really did service
vacuum cleaners, years ago. But they were
the only true and restored vacuum cleaners,
and the only way to Vacuum Cleaner Heaven.
Careful! I'm considering using the N word
Shark brand works well and is reasonably priced, $300+ for the full
sized (and fully equipped) units. But they are bag less uprights and
have plastic parts so I presume you will turn up your nose, throw a
bunch of quotes and/or emphasis stars back at me.
The filters are washable.
The motor unit lifts off for easy accessibility to reach pretty much
anywhere, steps, ceilings, walls, upholstery etc. They do give you a
wheeled caddy to set the motor unit on to mimic a canister style but I
find it easier to just carry the motor by the handle as its not at all
They pick up pet dander that you don't even know is there so I guess
they suck pretty good. Way better than the similarly constructed Bissel
unit that they replaced.
I have two full sized Shark units. The newest one (spring of 2015) is
used upstairs on the main level, the old one (4 years or so) is used in
the finished basement. I liked the old one well enough that when I
thought I had ruined it by getting a sock stuck inside I bought another.
LOL - they really mean it when they say its a sealed unit. By the way,
if that happens just take out the filters and turn it on until the
blockage gets sucked up into the hose or handle which are removable.
The newer ones have a neat feature in that if the motor unit is removed
and hand carried the hose and tube portion connected to the carpet brush
can lay flat along the floor to get under furniture and beds. It can
reach from one side of a queen sized bed to the other.
They both swivel like the Dyson ball but use a less obvious universal
joint to do so.
The older ones have air powered upholstery brushes. The newer ones have
motor powered upholstery brushes available -but- at additional cost.
The power cord needs manually wound around two hooks adding an extra 15
seconds or so to finish the cleanup chore.
The older units need the filters washed every 45 days or so, the newer
ones can go 6 months, all depending on severity of use of course.
The washable filters need 24 hours to dry.
The long cords can and do catch on/under anything available, Murphy was
They aren't robotic so they need people power to operate.
I've read reviews periodically thinking maybe I would replace my
Hoover. But after reading the reviews none of the new ones sound any
better and some sound like nightmares. So I stick with the Hoover,
which is a perennial favorite of Consumer Reports. I have a Windpower
self-propelled model. Every so often you need to replace the belts
and clean out all the crap that gets wrapped around the bearings and
moving parts. It is a bit heavy but uses bags and a hepa filter.
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