OT: James Hansen on oil shale

Hansen, NASA's leading climate scientist, laid out the scenario for global warming before Congress thirty years ago. Big Oil and other major polluters pressured Congress and successive Administrations of both Parties into sidelining Hansen as well as other prescient scientists.
Hansen spoke out on the proposed Canada-US pipeline for oil derived from Canadian tar sands. ===================
Silence is Deadly 03 June 2011
The U.S. Department of State seems likely to approve a huge pipeline to carry tar sands oil (about 830,000 barrels per day) to Texas refineries unless sufficient objections are raised. The scientific community needs to get involved in this fray now. If this project gains approval, it will become exceedingly difficult to control the tar sands monster. Although there are multiple objections to tar sands development and the pipeline, including destruction of the environment in Canada1
******An overwhelming objection is that exploitation of tar sands would make it implausible to stabilize climate and avoid disastrous global climate impacts. ******
The tar sands are estimated (e.g.,see IPCC AR4 WG3 report) to contain at least 400 GtC (equivalent to about 200 ppm CO2).and the likelihood of spills along thepipeline's pathway, such objections, by themselves, are very unlikely to stop the project.
Easily available reserves of conventional oil and gas are enough to take atmospheric CO2 well above 400 ppm. However, if emissions from coal are phased out over the next few decades and if unconventional fossil fuels are left in the ground, it is conceivable to stabilize climate2,3 Phase out of emissions from coal is itself an enormous challenge.
***However, if the tar sands are thrown into the mix it is essentially game over. There is no practical way to capture the CO2 emitted while burning oil, which is used principally in vehicles.**** . Governments are acting as if they are oblivious to the fact that there is a limit on how much fossil fuel carbon we can put into the air. Fossil fuel carbon injected into the atmosphere will stay in surface reservoirs for millennia. We can extract a fraction of the excess CO2 via improved agricultural and forestry practices, but we cannot get back to a safe CO2 level if all coal is used without carbon capture or if unconventional fossil fuels are exploited.
A document describing the pipeline project is available at http://www.keystonepipelinexl . state.gov/clientsite/keystonexl.nsf?Open Comments, due by 6 June, can be submitted to http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/clientsite/keystonexl.nsf/CommentFset?OpenFrameSet or by e-mail to snipped-for-privacy@cardno.com or mail to Keystone XL EIS Project, P.O. Box 96503– 98500, Washington, DC 20090–6503 or fax to 206-269-0098.
I am submitting a comment that the analysis is flawed and insufficient, failing to account for important information regarding human-made climate change that is now available. I note that prior government targets for limiting human-made global warming are now known to be inadequate. Specifically, the target to limit global warming to 2°C, rather than being a safe "guardrail", is actually a recipe for global climate disasters. I will include drafts of the "Paleoclimate Information"4, "Earth's Energy Imbalance"5
1 Asserted impacts include: irreversible effects on biodiversity, the natural environment, reduced water quality, destruction of fragile pristine Boreal Forest and associated wetlands, aquatic and watershed mismanagement, habitat fragmentation, habitat loss, disruption to life cycles of endemic wildlife particularly bird and Caribou migration, fish deformities and negative impacts on the human health in downstream communities.
and "The Case for Young People and Nature"3 papers, which are so far only published in arXiv; we will submit revised versions of all of these papers for publication this summer.
2 Target atmospheric CO2: Where should humanity aim? Open Atmos. Sci. J., 2, 217-231, doi:10.2174/1874282300802010217.
3 http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2011/20110505_CaseForYoungPeople.pdf
4 Paleoclimate implications for human-made climate change, http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.0968
5 Earth's energy imbalance and implications, http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1140
I also will comment that the pipeline project ****does not serve the national interest, because it will result in large adverse impacts, on the public and wildlife, by contributing substantially to climate change. ****
These impacts must be evaluated before the project is considered further. It is my impression and understanding that a large number of objections could have an effect and help achieve a more careful evaluation, possibly averting a huge mistake. Brief pointed comments may be just as well as longer statements.
Jim Hansen
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snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Protecting the environment is not the goal of environmentalists. It is but a means to an end.
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Bob F wrote:

Well, you really can't without waterboarding the climate alarmists. And I don't mean just for fun, but to get them to disgorge their real motivations.
"This is the attraction of global-warming orthodoxy not as a falsifiable scientific theory or source of research funding but as a substitute religion that engages all the energies and capacities to enhance meaning in life that an earlier generation of secular scholars and scientists often found in various brands of socialism or psychoanalysis. With the general decline and discrediting of both Marxism and Freudianism over the past thirty years radical environmentalism in various forms has taken their place in the lives of many secular intellectuals as a source of existential meaning and purpose. The insular, defensive, cult-like behavior displayed by so many global warming advocates when they are confronted with the concerns of informed skeptics reinforces such an interpretation and explains their refusal to debate dissenters. True believers have no converse with heretics. And such cult-like behavior reinforces one final suspicion: like socialism and Freudianism, global-warming alarmism may prove in time to be a God that failed."
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2011/09/global_warming_the_campus_non-.html
Many years ago, a chap named Eric Hoffer wrote a slim volume entitled "The True Believer," in which he delineated the characteristics of mass movements and the members thereof. Virtually all of the aspects of the climate warming movement can be found in his book.
* People mind their own business when it's worth minding. When it's not, they take their mind off their own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business.
* A mass movement can exist without a god, but it will always fail without a devil. It must have something to hate.
* Membership is mass movements is interchangeable. To those to whom membership in a mass movement is essential to give their life meaning, they join a movement then adopt its policies. It is the membership in the movement that's crucial, not the goals.
* Membership in a mass movement is a way to escape individual responsibility. Adopting the aims and tactics of a mass movement is a way of subordinating one's accountability to the movement. By doing so, one gains freedom from their actions.
I commend the book as an insight in to mass movements (burn-the-bra, save-the-whales, etc.).
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Cheap shot -- REALLY cheap shot -- lumping in hysterical "mass movements" unsupported by evidence with important scientific discoveries and warnings richly supported by evidence.
Sorry to see such much thinking. Wonder if it was deliberately provocative?
HB
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Oops - should have been "such MUDDY thinking". Apples and Oranges.
HB
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Higgs Boson wrote:

I do understand.
It's one thing for a serious climatologist to proclaim "thy doom is near," and quite another for Al Gore and his acolytes (numbering in the millions) to assert the polar bears are dying and we're next.
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Actually, serious climatologists do predict all of the above. Al Gore has done the public a service by popularizing the real threat. Unfortunately, the vast power of Big Oil, Big Banks, Big International Corporations is so great that the slick propaganda they disseminate can create doubt in the minds of even smart people. That, of course, is the objective.
To paraphrase Louis XV: ""Apres nous, le deluge.
So, in fact, the Polar bears ARE dying! They are great swimmers, but they can't swim indefinitely, looking for an ice floe to haul out on. So they drown. And tragically, the cubs haven't the strength to keep up with mother, so they drown even sooner.
How do you define "we''re next"? Whom are you talking about? And what is your time frame?
The Bangladeshi,e.g. whose country is just barely above sea level, might well be the first major population (a few Pacific islands already gone) to be flooded. And if you think millions of human beings are going to quietly accept drowning, think again! There will be massive attempts to move to higher ground, with those about to be invaded resisting forcefully. That is just ONE scenario -- the drowning one.
One of the other scenarios is major populations starving to death -- Northern Africa is only one locale -- because the harvests fail for lack of rainfall.
Then there's the scenario of a new Little Ice Age in Britain and parts of Europe when the Gulf Stream is diverted because the massive ocean circulation has been disrupted by the influx of fresh water into the salt.
And the melting of the Greenland ice cap, as well as some of the country-sized Antarctic ice sheets raising sea level 'n' meters -- yes, we're back to drowning. Like, drowning the NYC subways and the vast network of electric, gas, etc. under the City.
None so blind as those who will not see.
HB
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Higgs Boson wrote:

So you agree that Chomsky is currently as nutty as a fruitcake and that prior to that he was wrong about the theory of language. His most recent exposition, on the demise of Osama ben Laden, begins:
"It's increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no opposition..."
That's hardly a ringing endorsement of an even earlier work.
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Totally agree, with the proviso of updated safety features ...
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bob haller wrote:

Well, not EXACTLY like them, but in general, yeah.

That's okay. Nobody I know had any plans to go there anyway.

Jeeze! There are already MANY possible solutions for the "problem" of nuclear waste. How many more do you want?

Oh, somehow I doubt that those who are terrified of radiation will welcome any.
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wrote:

Google is not your friend...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1580014/Under-pressure-Why-we-get-earthquakes-in-Britain.html
Earthquakes are relatively common in Britain. We get up to 50-60 a year but it’s quite rare to have one measuring 5 on the Richter scale, that’s a 15-25 year event.
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AND YOUR HOME REPAIR QUESTIOIN IS? NOTE THE NAME OF THISE NG IS NOT "ot" LAZY ASS!
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Higgs Boson wrote:

You'll also notice that Hansen was arrested last week for a criminal violation.
Accused of an offense against the peace and dignity of the United States, Hansen will pay a fine or perhaps spend some time in jail for felonious mopery.
One should be leery of advice offered by criminals. In Hansen's case, he's demonstrated that he's unwilling to play by the rules, respect the law, or work within the system. All these attributes are inconsistent with scientific, or any other, integrity.
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Just in case any of the real people on this NG are deceived by the above misleading, alarmist POS, here's the URL for the story on Hansen and many others, including people of faith, arrested in front of the White House for exercising their Constitutional rights of free speech.
Hansen is the most respected scientist in the field of climate studies. For over 30 years he has been warning Congress and the country of what we are seeing now, thanks to the deliberate obfuscation and opposition of our corporate masters.
http://tinyurl.com/4ynf24q
Kinda gives you a hint of which way President Wuss is taking the country -- or allowing it to be taken along Bush lines. Rendition abroad for torture; arrests for free speech demonstrations; unchecked electronic spying on citizens w/o justification. What next?
HB
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