how do you install a door in a sheetrock wall with no studs?

first let me say that my apartment was built by polish carpenters, who have a strange appraoch to building. we have a doorway leading to the master bedroom we need to add a door to. the doorway is studless, and is simply cut out of the sheetrock, there might be a few metal studs somewhere in the wall, but no where close to the door. how do i install this door? do i just build a frame inside the opening and attach it to the sheetrock somehow?
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On Mar 19, 8:31 am, " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com"

If you are going to build a doorway you will need to build the framework to support the door. The attachment though needs to be to both the floor and to the cieling and not just the sheetrock. It will need to be cross braced at the top of the door to keep the opening square.
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BobR wrote:

If a double stud is solidly attached at the ceiling and floor, it'll be hard for it to go anywhere w/o the whole house shifting... :)
But, that's the only answer. The easiest/fastest/bestest way to do this would be to simply cut the existing sheetrock back to the previous stud (middle of it or add a double for nailing surface), frame the door conventionally then repair the wall.
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Yes I would have agreed completely until I move into my current home. Now, I am not so sure. Actually, the whole dang house does shift significantly from winter to summer. The doors won't stay shut in the winter and you can't close them in the summer. That's what I get for buying in the spring between shifts.

That would have been my first thought but then I don't know exactly what the requestor is up against and that could be a few inches or a few feet.
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BobR wrote: ...

Doesn't really matter -- a joint to repair is a joint wherever it is. (Realistically, can't be more than 2' even if on 24" centers, odds are they're 16").
Granted, it _could_ possibly be something really bizarre of somebody blocking off an area and simply laid a sheet in there, but...gotta' play the odds.
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thank you for your responses. to clarify, this is a railroad apartment that i am renting out the master bedroom, subletting, and need a real door, not a beaded curtain. the doorwaty exists, but may or may not contain any studs in the doorway or the entire wall. i understand the landlord might approve, but they do not live here, and are friends of the family. i am a carpenter, but build sets for film and television, and i feel like some of the fake houses i have built are more structurally sound than my own. redoing the closet was a nightmare, since everything was built bracing off the thing built before it, like there was no plans at all, just freeform building. weird. anyways, there are metal studs on either side of the doorway, and across the top. it is 32.5"wide. is there a way to attach the door box frame to the metal studs, or do i really just have to rip the sheetrock up to the ceiling and build a real wooden frame in there? i suppose thats not too bad, and easily repaired with sheetrock or plywood. or might it be possible to build the door box on one side of the door (door with box sticking out and not flush with wall)?i am unemployed these days and dont have much money for a carpenter, so i want to handle this project on my own if possible. thanks guys
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote: ...

... I thought you said you were a carpenter??? :(
As for the reference to the polish and workmanship, from these comments methinks the reference should be to the mirror...
Nothing solid can have only sheetrock as a structural member and last any time at all--the rock will break.
As for the metal studs, I can't tell from here what they're fastened to nor so no way to tell whether there's sufficient structure there to hang a door onto or not...
I've told you what I would (likely) do; actually seeing the situation could change that of course.
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cool, thanks. i am only a fake carpenter- building sets and flats is a totally different science
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On Mar 19, 10:31 am, " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not a lot of detail to go on .................................. I, having built several houses and having various tools which could size lumber, would give it a try; by cutting out the doorway and fitting a wooden frame within the wall of two by four* etc. into which one would then install a door box and hang door. You best choice might be to install the wooden frame to suit a pre- hung door and door box. You will also need door trim etc. both sides. We gather????? that here is already an opening. It may be off an odd (non stanadrd door) size however? But if it's metal studs within a continuos wall** you may have to cut a least one (or perhaps two) of them depending on whether they are on 16 or 24 inch centres. Hopefully however a standard door unit might fit in the space or fit with minor modification? Overall however you are there, you know your own level of skill and competency, the availaibility and your knowledge of tools etc. but would add since you have to ask it may be better for you to get a carpenter/contractor to the work. It is sometimes noticable that people who have to ask basic questions often underestimate, through lack of knowledge, just how much work is involved*** in a seemingly simple job. Professionals and/or competent people just 'make' it look easy! The nationality of any skilled tradesman will be immaterial, so long as you can communicate what you want done and a fair price for all the work functions involved. I would also comment that Polish (Like English) does use some 'capital' letters. Notes: * The wall may not be a conventional size of lumber in thickness? Although some steel studding is sort 2 by 4, or the metric equivalent. ** Metal studs may be required for fire resistant construction within the building? Deviating from that might contravene regulations/ insurance? *** Are there any electrical (telephone) wires within the wall????? If so will they need rerouting perhaps up and over the doorway; in an approved and safe manner according to electrical code? If doorway already there, ignore this. *** there is presumably no plumbing within that wall at all? Also ignore? Any permits or permission from building owner required? If you not apartment or condo owner will you be required to 'restore' as-is at end of lease?
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It is easiest to buy a door complete with door frame (also strong enough to hold up the wall above the door), cut through as much space as you need to fix the frame securely, then cover up the edges (which may be shimmed etc.) with trim moulding. But you need some way of securing the frame to the house structure at both sides.
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Think pocket door.
Or strings of those beady things you find in Moroccan bordellos.
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:31:56 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Apartment?? Are you the owner of the Property?
Trust me, get hanging beads, or an old bed sheet to cover the interior doorway. You don't want to get involved with doing repairs to an apartment. Landlord could force you out because you did unauthorized changes, and he does not have to pay you for the labor or materials. But later rents the place for extra money since the repairs were done.
I don't know where you live, but there are a few places, like Chicago from an old home improvement show, where apartments must have metal stud for some obscure fire code reason. Don't mess with walls without the property owner's approval. There may be some city or county rental inspector office that maybe should be advised that you have an interior door-way without a privacy door (barrier?), just cut sheet-rock. That may not be permitted (legal?) by building code.
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, Don't degrade Polish folks. They are hard working and reliable. I think you are trying to cut the corners. install more studs upto door way and build frame, then hang the door.
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listen folks, im not degrading polish folk, but simply commenting that the ones that built my apartment and all the ones in my hood were clearly raised with a different school of thought when it comes to building. its kind of ingenious in its strange approach and structural integrity, but maddening when you need to take something apart and make modifications. damn.
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