Dish washer and garbage disposal

[trader_4]

t the controls for dishwashers are becoming more and more electronic and le ss and less mechanical. The electronic components insulating ability break s down over time and current can leak to the metal frame thereby creating a shock hazard.

It's not much of a shock hazard if the metal frame is grounded, which has b een a code requirement for a very long time. The poster raises a good question . It would be interesting to see if they have any real world data that justif ies making this GFCI or if they have no data to back it up.

[Unquestionably Confused]

I'm sure that nothing like this EVER happens, but perhaps the lobbyists for NEMA (National Electrical Manufacturers Association) took some folks out to dinner or on a fishing trip.

Either that or somebody's second cousin on their mother's side got drunk, went to fix his dishwasher, opened up the electrical connection box and, deciding to off load some of the beer, took a whiz and...

Remember, although a code change can literally cost consumers millions of dollars, if it save the life of just one Darwin cheating idiot and allows him to recreate and expand the pool of morons, it's all worth it.

[Mark Lloyd]

That often happens here.

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[VinnyB]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:00:57 -0600, Unquestionably Confused wrote in

Exactly.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Seems to me it can possibly prevent a shock hazard under certain circumstances. When the kids were little, indtead of giving them a bath we'd just put them in the dishwasher on the "gentle" cycle. I always worried they could get a shock if the heating element shorted out.

[gfretwell]

This is interesting John G says this was adopted in the 2014 code but when I read the ROP it says the panel rejected it. I agree, someone put their thumb on the scale

From the ROP

2-58 Log #2561 NEC-P02 Final Action: Reject (210.8(D)) ________________________________________________________________ TCC Action: It was the action of the Correlating Committee that this proposal be reported as ?Reject? because less than two-thirds of the members eligible to vote have voted in the affirmative. Submitter: Jay A. Broniak, GE Appliances & Lighting Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: This form proposal is for requiring ground-fault circuit-interrupt (GFCI) protection on the dishwasher circuit. Section 210.8 (D) Kitchen Dishwasher branch circuit. GFCI protection shall be provided for outlets that supply dishwashers installed in dwelling unit locations. Substantiation: As the requirement for ground-fault circuit-interrupters (GFCIs) has been expanded throughout the NEC code, the amount of electrical shock incidents related to consumer products have continued to decline over time. Increased usage of GFCls within branch circuits of residential homes is a highly effective means of further reducing the potential for electrical shocks. CMP-2 should require GFCI protection on the dishwasher circuit. Panel Meeting Action: Reject Panel Statement: The submitter has not provided adequate substantiation to warrant the expansion of GFCI protection to branch circuits supplying dishwashers. Number Eligible to Vote: 11 Ballot Results: Affirmative: 7 Negative: 4

[CRNG]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:07:26 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote in

No, I think that is safe. I wash my cat that way and he has never been shocked. Pissed off, yes; but not shocked.