I can't give that to you. My information came from a recommendation from a
pediatrician who mentioned the subject because HE had seen data indicating
arsenic in kids who'd spent time in contact with playground structures built
with treated lumber. This conversation took place 1994-1995. This is all the
information I can give you right now.
Now, we're going to talk in circles because I'm going to ask you again what
would be required in order to show health problems as a result of exposure.
What would need to happen?
This is getting really silly. You're not talking about the same thing.
There is no arsenic in ACQ. ACQ wasn't around (much) in 1994/95.
There is arsenic in CCA. CCA is the treatment that has been
"discouraged", and what your pediatrician was talking about.
Now, figure out between yourselves which one you were really talking
Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
I'm referring to the older version, and waiting for him to catch up. He
keeps asking about ACQ. You'd think the word "arsenic" would cause him to
step backward through the messages and see what's what.
A report from a pathologist citing Arsenic posioning from treated lumber as
the cause of death.
Any recollection from a pediatrician is garbage. They are more "socially
aware" than librarians in promulgating absurd and agenda-driven (i.e., no
scientific basis) ideas.
In medicine, pediatricians are toward the bottom of the pecking order: below
tattoo-removal dermatologists and only slightly higher than chiropractors.
Take NOTHING a pediatrician says at face value. Reliance on same as
authorative has as much credence as crop-circle conjecture.
You're insisting you're correct. I might agree with you. But first, I need
an answer to the question that frightens you, apparently.
Here's the question again:
In order to show that health problems were caused by arsenic exposure, WHAT
WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN?
Gee - How about evidence that there's a problem?
Not hypothetical's. Not emotional responses that arsenic is dangerous thus all
uses of it must be banned. Not anecdotal stores about a friends neighbors cousin
saw a kid on the deck next door licking the railing.
Hard evidence that a significant number of kids are dying or even affected by
long term illness when arsenic is used as a wood treatment on outdoor decking.
"Tell me what I should do, Annie."
"Stay. Here. Forever." - Life On Mars
big business has a long history of denying and covering up hazards
they are well aware of. tobacco is a great example, second hand
I have a friend with somewhat retarded kids, that had high lead levels
when young, from their old lead based painted home.
Its sad the kids are nearly grown but will never be normal. Lead
DEFINETELY CAUSES RETARDATION in low levels.
No ddoubt one day workers in moon suits will be removing treated wood
and contaminated soil at great expense.
I'm not insisting on anything other than pointing out that if there were
widespread health problems induced by use of CCA, there should be a
world of evidence. That evidence would be widespread reports of
problems which had as their underlying commonality some identified
connection to CCA usage. I have looked; can't find it. Can you?
I repeat--we had this same discussion only a few months ago. There
wasn't any evidence forthcoming then, and so far there's none now.
There WAS data showing increased arsenic levels in certain populations of
There was NOT evidence showing that most kids were exhibiting advanced
stages of arsenic poisoning YET - the kind that would cause the police
and/or health department to begin questioning family members.
And, before some twit asks "Duh how about a controlled study?", it would be
impossible to find enough parents willing to allow their kids to be used for
such a study.
We're going in circles. I told you earlier that the information came from my
kid's pediatrician. I also told you that if you wanted me to, I'd call him
and see if he still had the information. Do you remember this?
Yes we are and as I have earlier said repeating a previous thread almost
You want to add something, find some citable references and/or links.
You can do that however you choose; I have no preferences/requirement.
I will also repeat yet again I spent a fair amount of time looking and
came up empty. It was not, and was not intended to be, an exhaustive
and scholarly literature search. However, as noted before, if the
hazards of CCA were so egregious, it shouldn't take any effort at all to
find a large number of citations in the readily available literature.
If that were the case and I simply somehow made a bad effort, it
shouldn't take someone else more than about 30 seconds to counter the
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