Bathroom (elec.) Wiring for TV

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I recently completed a bathroom remodel and the wife came home with a 19" LCD TV and swivel mount that she wants mounted on the wall a foot or so above the garden tub so she can watch/listen to TV while in the tub or getting ready in the a.m. and there is no GFCI outlet near the tub. Can I tap into the GFCI circuit supplying the outlets near the sink and add the run/outlet to the wall near tub down from the attic? Or, can I add an elec. box to the wall, snip the TV plug and hardwire into an existing run in the attic (GFCI or not)? I'm not sure about placement as far as code goes but I imagine if GFCI is OK near a sink, it's OK near a tub. I'm in Phoenix, AZ.
Any ideas on how to tackle this short of having an electrician do it?
Thanks,
Jimbo
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:I recently completed a bathroom remodel and the wife came home with a : 19" LCD TV and swivel mount that she wants mounted on the wall a foot : or so above the garden tub so she can watch/listen to TV while in the : tub or getting ready in the a.m. and there is no GFCI outlet near the : tub. Can I tap into the GFCI circuit supplying the outlets near the : sink and add the run/outlet to the wall near tub down from the attic? : Or, can I add an elec. box to the wall, snip the TV plug and hardwire : into an existing run in the attic (GFCI or not)? I'm not sure about : placement as far as code goes but I imagine if GFCI is OK near a sink, : it's OK near a tub. I'm in Phoenix, AZ. : : Any ideas on how to tackle this short of having an electrician do it? : : Thanks, : : Jimbo : Just one: Since you have to ask the question, you are not competent to do this particular job on your own. You shouldn't do it, since you don't want to hear about hiring someone to do it.
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Like the other guy said, if you have to ask how, you should hire it done. I wouldn't mount it that close to tub- just asking for trouble from humidity and water splash. LCD would be safer than conventional TV, but there is still power there. Do NOT hardwire it- when it dies (and they all do, eventually), what do you do then? 19" is pretty big, unless your wife can't see w/o glasses. I'd mount it on the wall up high, on opposite wall, and near the exhaust fan so screen doesn't fog up. Picture how TVs are mounted in hospital rooms.
Must be pretty nice to have that much dawdle time in the mornings. I'd put the fancy flat TV in the kitchen, and buy a shower radio that has TV band coverage, for the bathroom. But that is just me.
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in secondary bathroom, our conventional 13" cable tv with remote control is plugged into a GFI with an extension cord on a plastic shelf opposite the toilet, viewable also thru the clear shower curtain as you stand in the shower. you must also GFI. your outlet can be on the LOAD side of an existing GFI nearby so it trips when the test button is pushed. or it can be its own GFI on an extension of a circuit. check the lcd tv to see how wide the viewing angle will be, will it serve all bathroom viewers without needing to be swiveled back and forth? you will be running antenna or cable or satellite to the tv as well. always consider doorbell cams and baby cams and phones and intercoms and internet wiring needs for any new outlet projects. see electrical code article link discusses GFI requirements:
http://www.selfhelpandmore.com/homewiringusa/2002/maindwelling/newdwel/index.htm
you also need more info about how far from the tub you must be.
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Our electrical codes essentially say you can't have anything electrical within 4 feet of a tub or shower (some exemptions apply, but not outlets for TVs) even if it's GFCI'd, unless it's explicitly rated for it.
A 19" is big enough to move farther away from the tub.
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"Chris Lewis"> wrote

Which code is that? My shower has a light in the ceiling and a switch and outlet on the outside wall, 4" away. The other bathroom has a tub with a spa motor/pump in it, within inches of the water. The house is 3 years old and was built to exceed the codes and passed all inspections.
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Canadian. NEC is very similar, but not exactly the same.

1) The show ceiling light will be a unit specifically designed/rated/approved for this purpose.
2) the spa tub is also obviously specifically designed/rated/approved for it.
3) The switch & outlet within 4" of the shower _should_ have been rejected even in the US.
You're not supposed to be able to stand in the shower or tub and reach a switch, outlet or fixture - _unless_ it's explicitly approved for that purpose. There are some specialized exemptions, but switches and outlets aren't one of them.
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Yep.
Which counters your assertion above that ANYTHING within 4 feet.....

Its done all the time around here. Same with the garbage disposal switch close to the kitchen sink. The code here requires circuits in wet areas to be GFCI.

Well, I guess the US has surrendered completely to socialism yet. Yet.....
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Well, Chris didn't actually assert "ANYTHING", you see. He said "anything", preceeded by "essentially", and followed closely by "some exemptions apply". The items you listed (rated and approved lights, spa motors/switches, etc. ) fit nicely in the "some exemptions apply" category. A TV does not, as was stated, nor does a light switch or outlet.

Well, see, he said "tub or shower". He didn't mention sinks, or kitchens for that matter, or wet areas in general. I've never seen a general light switch or outlet within 4 inches of a shower or bathtub, and I'd be pretty spooked if I did. I don't know code, but I'd be surprised if that were allowed
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Point of clarification: when I said "rated and approved for the purpose", I specifically meant that UL (or CSA) has approved the device (ie: light fixture) for use in wet areas (ie: overhead in a shower).
You can't take any old UL/CSA approved light fixture and stick it in a shower. You _have_ to use one that's approved _specifically_ for that environment (wet).
My SO mentioned seeing on one of the home decorating TV shows, the designer wanting to put a small chandelier into a (large!) shower enclosure, and someone off camera said "that's a MAJOR code violation, we can't do that! Especially on TV!".
The "exemptions" I was referring to were regarding devices that weren't explicitly rated for "wet". For example, as I recall, recent Canadian Electrical Code now permits ordinary thermostats and baseboard heaters within 4' of a tub or shower, as long as the thermostat (or baseboard's thermostat, if equipped) doesn't have an explicit off switch/position. [I had once figured out the reason for that unusual distinction, but I forget...]
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Ha! I see code violations on the home shows all the time. The most common one is the picket spacing on railings and handrails. In reality what usually happens is the builder installs a cheap *code* railing then after the CO is issued the builder then installs the stuff the owner really wants. Thus was the case for some folks I designed a 4 story lighthouse for. After the CO they installed a railing made out of old rusty pitchforks, shovels and assorted farming tools. They converted an old hand pump into a sink faucet in the powder room and several other unique things. None of that stuff would have met code.
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You must be watching the wrong ones. The ones I've seen have caught that as a code violation.

When someone impales themselves and gets tetanus while stumbling around one night, or, try to sell this house to someone in the future, I'm sure they'll be happy with their choice.

I don't see how an old hand pump used as a faucet would necessarily violate code. I've made my own faucets too.
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Thats the thing. You don't have to *see* it. Codes are what they are, no common sense necessary. But then, I'm in a place where the codes are created at will by people that don't have to know what they're doing, SW FL.
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Read what I wrote:

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Here too, but it doesn't make it right.

A kitchen sink isn't a shower or bathtub.

Code here too.

No, it's going the other way.
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You're making the mistake of believing the codes are *right*. Our light switch is on a GFCI and there is a glass door leading into the shower, it has worked well for over 3 years now. I know of hundreds of homes that have the same set up. Same with the TV over the tub, it happens all the time in very upscale homes. You don't want to get me going on the codes. I've been railing against them for decades. Codes create a substandard level for which cheap builders are eager to comply. Thats why the landscape is inundated with poorly designed and even more poorly built boxes of trash.
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It would be more convincing if you said "In at least one example seen by one random person, poor wiring managed not to electrocute anyone or cause a fire in 3 years of use."
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"kevin"> wrote

And thats where you would be wrong. Ever heard of Deion Sanders? How about Mike Greenwell of the BoSox? Just 2 of the many clients I have designed homes for. I don't design *to code*. I design far beyond the code. I don't expect you to be able to understand that. As far as *convincing* you, I couldn't care less.
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"And thats where you would be wrong. Ever heard of Deion Sanders? How about Mike Greenwell of the BoSox? Just 2 of the many clients I have designed homes for. I don't design *to code*. "
Wow, and I suppose you don't bother getting permits or inspections then either. Guess that's OK, because it's a celebrity! And I'm sure one day when you wind up in court because someone died from electrocution, it will be OK, cause it was a celebrity. Do you have any professional licenses or insurance?
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trader4> wrote

Sorry, I thought I was dealing with someone that a some education and experience. Guess I was wrong. That you believe building *to code* is adequate says volumes about your character. Unfortunately, that is just not good enough for me or my clients. I have been licensed in my state since 1986.
Onward.
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If you need it go with a lcd. Otherwise I wouldnt even bother. TV in the bathroom, put a small radio in there and be done with it. I wouldnt be a fan of putting an outlet near the tub. Yes it does have to be GFCI'd. but I would still consider it to be a bit dangerous.
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