"In the next few days, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is
expected to propose long-delayed regulations requiring auto manufacturers to
include event data recorders better known as "black boxes" in all new
cars and light trucks. . . When a car is involved in a crash or when its
airbags deploy, inputs from the vehicle's sensors during the 5 to 10 seconds
before impact are automatically preserved. That's usually enough to record
things like how fast the car was traveling and whether the driver applied
the brake, was steering erratically or had a seat belt on."
I can see a cottage industry for modding automobile black boxes. Of
course there are already ways to hack automobile computers and I don't
think it's any great leap to the formation of black box hacking clubs
and widespread information and how-to's showing up on The Web. ^_^
This is being driven by the insurance companies, as part of their
effort to determine and assign fault for so-called accidents (better
defined as crashes, since the majority are preventable). They'll make
a condition of being insured that the data is available. You tamper
the box, they won't pay your claim.
the day is coming where intelligent vehicles check themselves for
speeding and call in the report to the police that send you a ticket.
you were on X road the speed limit is 55, you were doing 75. pay this
150 buck ticket congrats no points if paid promptly.
tampering with the device will render the vehicle undrivable.
its for our safety
While I do not like the idea , it would be good if they could be set so that
if you are going over say 80 to 90 mph they would shut down the car and
would need a reset to get them going again. Should cut down some of the
high speed chases.
I have seen some advertisements on TV about a removiable device that checks
your driving and the insurance company sets your rate by your driving
If you want to wish for that, why would it have to shut the
car down? You could just wish for a car that won't go
over 80 mph to begin with. And don't know what's so
special about high speed chases over 80mph. If they are
going 80 or 100, not much difference in my book and
I'm not sure there are that many that go much faster
than that. The real problem is that any of these
chases can be deadily for innocent bystanders.
The simpler solution is to not have police
continue to chase someone who is fleeing a routine
traffic stop. That's where most of these chases originate
My thinking is that when the car hits say 80 + mph it shuts down. That
limits the high speed part of the chase to a short distance. I think there
are some policies not to get into a high speed chase unless there is more
involved than a simple traffic stop.
With guys like you asking for it, probably won't be long
before Obama gives it to you.... And who's gonna deal
with all the cars beside the road that went above 80
that were not being pursued by the police? The cops
gonna come over and hand them out tickets for speeding?
And suppose the wife is having chest pains while you're
driving, you're 10 mins from the hospital, and it's a big old
highway with little traffic? You gonna drive at 75, play it real
78 and worry that maybe you'll trip it? 80 and hope for
the best? pull over and wait for an ambulance?
so for ten miles, every increase of speed by 1 mile shortens the time by a few
seconds and increases the possibility that the wife in her stressed out state
will hit the only coyote in seven counties and not be able to recoveer
On Dec 7, 7:14 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
Let me help you with the math. Driving 90 instead of
75 gets you there a minute and and 20 secs faster. That's not
just a few seconds more. It's an amount that
could mean the difference between life and death. You do
it your way and let me do it mine.
You are quite correct. Virtually all laws, especially those regulating
traffic, are trumped by 'exigent circumstances.' That is, violation of some
dictate is excusable when life or significant property damage is at stake.
That would take the fun out of my daily commute. I'm in favor of a
disabling device operated by the chasing police cruiser, but not for
anyone to restrict my speed.
A half dozen years ago, my insurance company offered some driver $400
to allow one to be installed for a few months. I let them do it.
There were no restriction on driving and no penalties for anything. I
allegedly would be done anonymously. I did keep my speed down to 75
during the test.
Moe DeLoughan used improper usenet message composition style by
The data is the property of the vehicle's owner?
After a night of moderate drinking, you get in your car and drive home.
A few miles from the strip bar you were patronizing, while in a drunken
stupor, you collide with a tractor-trailor and you're rendered bloody,
bruised, unconscious - but still alive. The police, a firetruck and a
couple of ambulances are dispatched to the scene.
At the scene, officer Ken Qualls (me) pulls out my ODB event-recorder
scan-tool (sold only to law enforcement) and I plug it into the data
port located under the dash of your wrecked car. You are unconcious, on
a gurney strapped to a body-board, with an IV in your arm, being loaded
into an ambulance.
While I'm downloading the black-box data from your car, I'm looking
around inside your car, looking for open liquor or beer bottles, plastic
baggies filled with green leafy items or white powder, fire arms, your
cell phone, etc. If I find your cell phone, I'm going to browse through
it, look at any pictures it might contain, flip through the contacts and
see if I recognize anyone, etc.
Oh - I see the download is finished. I'm going to take the data back
and log it as evidence.
Because I'm essentially an armed stenographer, most of what I do as an
officer of the law is fill out paperwork that's destined for the desk of
some insurance company. Your insurance company - and that of the
trucker that you hit, is going to see your black-box data and will use
it to determine if you are 100% at fault in this accident, or something
But there you have it. The data that you think is yours is now mine (oh
yea- it's still there inside your black-box). Your car is going to be a
hostile witness, and will testify against you. Enjoy your day...
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