I wouldn't trust energy stats, specially those provided by
manufacturers. Ask your energy company for a real world cost
break-down. Also, yer current freezer has lasted for 38 yrs. I, too,
had a 30+ yr old refrigerator and 25+ yr old wshr/dryr set. They made
'em to last, didn't they!
Will you actually save money by purchasing new? My mom's last new
refrigerator lasted only 5 yrs before dying an unrepairable death.
That's jes about the time she would have started realizing some cost
savings, but then had to buy a new one. Her current one, about 5 yrs
old, jes blew a fan motor. Repairs cost over $200. Of her two chest
freezers, both less than 10 yrs old, one jes died. The other got
eaten by a bear (no kidding!).
Me? I'd stick with something that works.
Thanks for reminding me. A lot of people have said their new units have
needed replacement or repairs very early on in their life cycle. That, of
course, could alter the payback stats. The old A/C ran, uncovered in the
window all year long, for 17 years. The fridge for over 30. I suspect
their replacements, with the use of far more plastic parts, won't last
nearly as long.
It's a lot easier to make the decision to replace when the old ones fail. A
lot of the efficiency of new units comes from better insulation. I'd get a
Kil-a-watt and see if insulating the outside of the freezer saved any money.
It took 22 years for my Honda to reach the "can't repair it anymore" point.
My thoughts too. As you pointed out, the true cost of operation is
more than just the electrical useage. Personally I think I'd run the
38 year old freezer till it needed a repair and then consider saving
what that repair costs and putting it toward the new unit. That's
not to say the new unit will last as long but repairing (assuming the
parts are still available) a 38 year old unit may be a first sign of
more to come.
On a side note, things that I was once told were to last so many
years, more recently I'm told those same things last perhaps half (or
less) as long nowadays.... ie: washing machines, hot water heaters,
refrigs come to mind. That's sad in my opinion.
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:42:20 -0400, "Robert Green"
Agreed. I couldn't see myself buying a big screen tv but the death of
my old large heavy Sony made it a bit easy to swallow :) Of
course I like the new tv much better but honestly if the old one was
still working, I'd probably still be using it. I'm cheap but like to
say practical instead. Besides I still have 2 daughters that
regardless of age, don't mind asking me for money or favors.
I nursed an RCA color TV for 25 years until adjustments could no longer
correct the ever-enlarging image and the ever decreasing color saturation.
It was still working when I curbed it. The difference between old CRT TV's
and equal sized LCD/LED units is pretty impressive. So is the picture.
Two exceptions. I now see how many actors/actresses have bad skin, teeth
and plastic surgery scars. When watching wildlife videos reveals how even
the most powerful of the beasts are plagued with insects. It's distracting
to watch all the little black dots crawling around on their heads that I
never noticed before.
Did you buy LCD or Plasma? LCDs use about the same amount of power or
slightly more for same size screen.
I had a 45" Mitsubishi RPTV that lasted me for 12 years that I
replaced 2 years ago with a 50" Panasonic Plasma. The Panny uses 400
watts, as compared to the Mits that used 210 watts.
Samsung model LN40D630 which I believe is a LCD. It had a sticker
that based on its assumptions claimed to use about $20/yr electricity.
I don't really know the real cost yet till I get the recommended
equipment to measure it's real draw.
I think LCD uses lot less power than Plasma. We have 62 in. Panny Plasma
for better pictures, specially black is real black. Plasma
panel generates quite a bit of heat. They have built-in fans for that.
Hope my next set will be organic LED panel.
The LED LCDs are very good on energy. I have a friend with a 47" LCD,
not LED. If you stand 1 foot in front of it, you can feel the heat
radiating from it. On my 47" LED LCD, you feed no heat anywhere. For
the fun of it, I will put the Kill-A-Watt on it and see the results.
But it will have to wait because Kill-A-Watt is now on the 38 year
freezer (other thread).
Three things have rendered reliability out: planned obsolescence,
bottom-line cheapness, disposability. It jes doesn't pay to make a
long lasting quality product or repair products than be purchased new
for less. No incentive for the user to purchase a new one. Seen any
TV/radio repair shops, lately? ;)
On the flip side, I was always amazed how easily PC's could be repaired - at
least in the beginning. No video? Swap out a board! It's all a trade off.
I agree with you. People won't pay what it's worth in time to have
something diagnosed and repaired when that cost is perhaps half to
three-quarters the price of a newer (and often better) model. I gave up
fixing PC's for friends for that reason. They're grateful right after you
restore megabytes of precious data - but not for very long after that. )-:
Sort of "I know you saved my life last week, but what have you done for me
Actually yes, one or two but I have no idea how much longer they'll
stay in business. Maybe they sell the old repaired units to make a
living???? I was willing to give my old heavy Sony away for free but
they would have to drive 5 miles to get it and they said no thanks. It
ended up in the garbage truck... kinda sad to see that but I wasn't
willing to pay to have it fixed (assuming it was fixable).
My first 17" CRT computer monitor bought back in the 90's was $549.00
which was a low price because I was in the computer repair/sales
business and got dealer pricing. The last time I bought a new computer
monitor was several years ago at Office Depot and it was +/- $160.00
for a 23" Viewsonic LCD. The twin LCD monitor setup I'm using right now
sending this post is a Dell Precision 390 I rescued from a business that
closed and was about to toss it into a dumpster along with other almost
new useable computers, monitors, laser printers, scanners and loads of
other equipment. I haven't bought any new computers or network equipment
in years because I come across so much current gear that's being tossed.
The D-Link wireless N router hooked to my cable modem is a 2010 model I
found tossed in the corner of an equipment room a few months ago. I may
build a new computer with a quad core CPU but I won't need a new case,
etc because I have so much of the other parts already. I constantly pick
up used and broken things of all types that need only minimum repairs. I
once got a 24,000 BTU window unit for my shop for free that had a simple
bad connection on the compressor. What's the payback for
a $600.00 AC unit that cost's nothing but a little sweat? ^_^
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