UV-C Knowledge - ASHRAE, etc.

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TO ALL THAT HAVE SAID SNAKE OIL, MAGIC LIGHT, GIMMICK, MAGIC, MARKETING HYPE, NOT CREDIBLE, BULLSHIT, HOT AIR, DID I FORGET ANY. I AM SURE THAT AT THE VERY LEAST ONE PERSON HERE WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THAT WOULD BE INSULTING, NASTY OR JUST PLAIN OLD NOT NICE.
I CAME TO THIS GROUP TO LEARN FROM PROFESSIONALS AND HAVE SOME GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PRODUCTS THAT I DISTRIBUTE AND MAYBE HAVE SOME GOOD FOR ALL HERE AS THE OUTCOME. I HAVE TAKEN PLENTY OF ABUSE FOR NOT ONE GOOD REASON. I MUST ADMIT THAT THERE WERE SOME GOOD AND RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE.
HAVE MORE OF AN OPEN MIND AND BENEFIT FROM THINGS AND PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW IT MAY SOMEDAY IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR YOU IN ALL ASPECTS INCLUDING YOUR BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. YEAH THERE ARE ASSHOLES IN LIFE BUT YOU NEED TO GIVE POEPLE A CHANCE, THEN HAVE THAT DETERMINING FACTOR.
IT A SHAME THAT MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR OWN INDUSTRY, READ BELOW AND RETAIN THE INFORMATION THAT YOU READ. I'LL ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY WHEN YOU DONE. JUST LIKE MOST OF YOU HERE YOU THINK YOU KNOW ALL AND CONSTANTLY MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE NOT ONLY ME. WHEN THEY ASK YOU QUESTIONS. I HAVE WATCH ALL OF YOU DO THAT DO THAT TO PLENTY OF PEOPLE ON HERE OR CALL THEM CHEAP AND TO CALL A TECH. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ACT LIKE PROFESSIONALS SO THAT YOUR INDUSTRY IS RESPECTED. THEN MAYBE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE I SEE ASKING QUESTIONS IN HERE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE CALLING A "CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL" IN THEIR AREA INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIX THE THE UNITS THEMSELVES.
Beleive ASHRAE? http://www.uvdi.com/index.php?pagelink=Whats_New
http://www.ashrae.org/technology/page/104 Technical Committees BCBR, Technical Resource Group on Blast, Chemical and Biological Remediation; TC 2.9, Ultraviolet Air and Surface Treatment ....
http://www.fortwayneashrae.org/2006Presentations/Marty%20Albert.pdf [PDF] Using UltraViolet Light In HVAC Systems File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Using UltraViolet Light in HVAC Systems – Ft. Wayne ASHRAE Seminar – July 25, ..... HVAC Systems and Components, Section Five, Sub-Section 5.9, Page 143, ...
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/iec/publications/papers/standards_guidelines_UVGI.pdf [PDF] STANDARD AND GUIDELINE REQUIREMENTS FOR UVGI AIR TREATMENT SYSTEMS File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ASHRAE Trans. 106(2), 4-15. Kowalski, W.J., and Bahnfleth, W.P. 2000b. UVGI design basics for air and surface disinfection. HPAC 72(1),. 100-110. ...
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Dude you haven't said a thing that most here don't already know. You are a salesman. You were told not to advertise here. You didn't have the courtesy to lurk and learn before you posted. You weren't here to learn. You are here to tell us how great your lights are and how smart you are. You aren't the first and you won't be the last. Peddle your bullshit elsewhere. Come back with a CMS designation. I'll listen.
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Bill wrote:

I said learn how to read. SNAKE OIL, MAGIC LIGHT, GIMMICK, MAGIC, MARKETING HYPE, NOT CREDIBLE, BULLSHIT <<--- Yeah ok you know nothing.
Many of you argued and said all of those words to DEFINE UV-C Technology.
And you know nothing about me to form an opinion an refer to me in any manner salesman, etc. I sold nothing here and the websites have nothing to sell other than the mattresses that have one paragraph about the service on one page- psycho. Never claimed to be smart, I said learn and discuss. Do you have a problem retaining information? Maybe you have ADD? Not too sure where to direct you for that umm try your doctor or local hospital.
Bill you are nothing but an ignorant person who thinks he knows everything. You are one of the most psychotic people I have ever talked to., you form your own opinions about things, you insult people, you only wanna hear yourself talk, you state the same boring things over and over again, you make comments about people that are untrue, you claim that others need to study and based upon the information that you supply and you made an ass out of yourself, you imagine things, your rude and I feel sorry for you.
Lurk? Like a sneak, is that the person you are, sorry that's not the person I am.
Find a nice comfortable chair with a nice woman or man to talk to tell them you problems - PSYCHO, They are called psychotherapist. Speaking of since you refer to sucking things off, you might in fact prefer the man to talk too, not sure but then again its what you said.
I'm not going to give you anything you a waste of time and energy. I do not need to speak to you that desperately and obviously you have no knowledge that a person can learn from. You just read ASHRAE documentation and you still persistent on CMS design. Maybe you do not now who ASHRAE is?
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then I won't accuse you of child molestation. I repeat you aren't here to learn. You're here to preach and drum up sales.

nice.
feel for the specific culture and etiquette of the community" Obviously you are new to the internet. Or something else. Maybe you better learn what lurk means jimmy.

Maybe you better explain what ASHRAE is and their purpose. I looked at the first link for them you posted. Maybe you better explain that one too. This "CMS design". What is that? Surely not "CMS designation"? CMS is a classification of RSES membership. Come on jimmy get in the game.
NO SALES even under the guise of "education" jimmy. We can tell the difference. Maybe you better troll your wares in a more receptive newsgroup that doesn't have a prohibition against it like alt.home.repair. They love salesmen and buying things over there.
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Bill wrote:

need help. Child molestation? CMS designation, RSES - who ever said that UV-C Applications have anything to do with RSES members - "The HVACR Training Authority, who earn CMS classification. Did I ever say that I was a tech. or repaired HVAC systems? Just read you responses and the things you say and you know about etiquette and a specific culture? Did I ask you to buy anything? Did I try to sell you anything? as to the links they speak for themselves and if you don't know who ASHRAE is, you might want to find another occupation. Again with making statements of the sales, Bill you keep saying the same old boring things over and over again. You seem to be the only person that keeps talking about me selling things. I was talking to different people here. Enough already with you don't post anything else to me unless its intelligent and has another purpose than arguing.
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Go shove it up your ass, you fucking moron.
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Then why are you here jimmy? It's clear you haven't a clue outside the narrow scope of the things on your website. (That you don't sell.)
So you what? Want us to believe you're a UV light missionary? Doing the light's work for the betterment of mankind? Someone should smack that knob on your head.
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Bill wrote:

learn about HVAC, talk about UV-C Technology and to get some opinions and views. I never claimed to be a HVAC tech., because I am not one. But I do know the basics, but I wanted to learn more. All of you should have taken that as a compliment, not a battle.
I do believe in products and I do believe they serve a great purpose and yes I do believe that it is a great thing that its just not some shitty useless product as in many things that are sold to today it does help people and things, so I do feel good about what I do.
But my opions are just them, but when plenty of other highly qualified popele can support what the products do, is why I believe in them.
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Nobody believes your bullshit jimmy. Quit spamming our newsgroup before we have your ISP spank you.
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Bill wrote:

a sig. and I'll shut up, I don't care what you put in you signature, anything you pit there is legal": You haven't done that yet and no advertisement have been placed here its been talk. Have a nice life and keep your newsgroup.
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I should not have to hide who I am or what I represent. I have researched and you can read in other postings here that I can support that. I was asked to change the company with a name I did, I was asked to take out the sales@ in my signature and replace it with a name and I did, I was asked to put in a signature by someone here and I did, I was told that anything that I put in the signature is legal. Now there is a problem with what I have in the signature?
They lamps are set by the manufacturer with the specs. that are necessary for the applications. The bulbs have a life of 9000 hours than the efficiency drops to 80% so it is suggested that the lamps be replaced annually. So if the lamps stay illuminated, they are working until the annual replacement.
There is a fixed radiometer that could be placed on a system as a acccessory: A radiometer is generally used to monitor the output of a UVGI system. It measures the UV intensity produce by UV lamps. The Fixed Radiometer is a type of radiometer designed to indicate relative UV output. It is calibrated (i.e. set) to “100%” when the lamps are new and operating under normal air conditioning system operation. As the life of the lamps progresses, or if an unusual event such as a burned out lamp occurs, the relative UV output will show significantly lower.
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Jimmy you seem not to know much.
I studied UV-C from Kowalski (sp). I even have a copy of the classified bio threat calculator of the USA Homeland Security Dept.
Your comments about efficiency of the units is not quite correct. Relative humidity has a HUGE effect on their actual output along with ambient temperature.
Do some studying before you call yourself a specialist.
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Chris thanks for telling me what you think I know. For coil irradiation they do have energy savings. I have case studies that prove that to be true. The units that I distribute have calculations that are entered into a proprietary software program that will factor all the relativity to the UV technology and have it be effective.
I'll tell ya what, get an account; we can do a 30 day no obligation trial. We can swab the coil or use petri dishes (that will be sent to a third party independent lab) before the unit is installed then do the same 30 days later. If the unit did not perform, we will refund all of your customers money that was paid and uninstall the unit. Let me know when you would like to start and where.
The documents that you studied not sure what company's product they were referring to? They perform tests on not only the company products that I distribute but others as well. If it was my company's product, the ambient temps do play a part but they still will have the coils clean from build up , with no restrictions. The energy saving is because of the pressure drop across the coil with better air flow, having no restrictions on the air flow, would equate to energy savings. The unit will not have to work as hard to circulate the air, thus improving the over all efficiency. Again we are speaking about coil irradiation.
Bio- Terror is another entirely new subject that I would rather not type out and is not just as simple as making a blanket statement. There are many factors, then calculations that are needed to have the application be effective.
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Don't need a putri dish to calculate the effective irradiation.
As for labs, I have use of two local university bio level 3 labs, 1 level IIIb lab. Yes, and a whole host of lovely viri and bacteria to play with. Not to mention the supply of soft flurry animals to inject with toxic agents lol.
30 day no obligation account? Why I can purchase more types of UV-C tubes that you can imagine, all straight from the manufactures lol. Can beat ANY price you quote lol.
Tell you what, just out of interest, how much for a 380,000 mWatt/sec at 320 f/s unit? I built one myself, let's compare prices lol
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Why not Chris, if I can get it to you cheaper. How many would you be interested in? For the UV intensity, I said I would supply a chart that would show every inch of the coil and the amount of UV exposure.
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YOU CAN'T GET CHEAPER LOL
I can get wholesale direct from the factory. Don't need your charts, have my own software and UV meters.
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Why don't you LEARN to turn off your caps lock!
Idiot !
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Geoman wrote:

Thanks for the update, not all the words were caps only the ones that I was EMPHASIZING were.
Einstein !
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