What eye safety do you use? What lung safety do you use?
I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection, usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
Lungs - the crappy paper masks and heavy duty vacuum dust control
Hearing - standard muffs
Eyes - full face shield - had a turned bowl blow up in process and a piece clipped the shield instead of my head! the face shield does not seem to fog as quickly as glasses with side protection do.
With very little exception I wear (where?) a Trend and hearing protection at all times. When I am using my drill press with a vacuum hose at the source I sometimes forego the Trend but a face shield is in its place. I have about 5 face shields and hearing protectors each in my shop and these are presented to any guests that might show up. I also offer them the Moldex 2200N95 dust mask (it's like an underwire bra for your face). My wife has a Trend too which she wears when she helps out. I use Festool sanders with their vacuum so I sometimes forego the Trend again with this step but I prefer using it to eliminate that dust which does get away from the vac. Marc
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You too? I've spent more money than I'd like on safety glasses and goggles that just fog up. Anti-fog coverings give me about 2 minutes more before they fog up. I think the problem is simply not enough air flow.
When I wear "normal" safety goggles, they don't fog up. Those are the kind with an array of holes drilled in the top and bottom. Try to get something to keep the dust out, and everything starts fogging.
What I'd do if I was designing these things is drastically up the number of vent locations. The last new pair I bought had 1 row of vents, I'd have 6 or 7. Open vents on the bottom. They're woodworking goggles, not chemical splash goggles, so they need only keep the dust to a minimum.
Sorry if this is a little soap-boxy, but you've hit on a source of quite a bit of frustration.
Since I used to do a fair amount of metal work, I always went with a hard hat with everything. So the eye, ear and lung protection had to go with a hard hat. I went down to an industrial safety supply house and got a matched set.
And yes, the face shield does for up. But I just keep wiping it off. I can't tell you how many times that hard hat - face shield combo saved my ass. Or more specifically certain portions of my face and head.
For things that are safer, that do not require a face shield, I just go with ear muffs and a respirator of some kind.
Sometime ago I saw a chart, perhaps in Popular Science or Mechanics, which gave the dB output of common power tools and appliances. The most startling recollection was how many machines advised the user to wear both ear plugs and ear muffs in conjunction for maximum protection. Considering how permanent damage done to the ears is, this seemed an adoptable precaution.
Everybody complains how quickly face shields tend toward the opaque with any use. Better that than the eyes. There is a face shield for acids made which gives the wearer the appearance of a lucite flying nun going backwards. But for ricochets and the unanticipated, it soars.
When a unanimous declaration names goggles that won't fog, the line will lengthen by me. On some occasions I use goggles that take a replaceable screen insert (intended for loggers) over a pair of safety glasses. The screens permit air flow; the glasses stay clear and sustain few scratches.
Paper filter masks always imperfectly bring to mind Dumbo's feather. What they protect is a foolhardy notion of false economy. An MSA twin cartridge safety mask is super but facial hair doesn't benefit any seal. People who don't use them always open up with "Isn't that hot?" or "What about all that uncomfortable weight on your face?" Along that line of reasoning, shoes wouldn't appear attractive. But with 10 minutes of actually doing something wearing a mask, the novelty--and any discomfort initially felt--is a forgotten memory. By the way, there is a selection of cartridges for different airborne compounds available from MSA to fit your circumstances.
Another caveat from experience has to do with solvents soaked into your clothing. After seeing someone having a flood of gas drenching his unmentionables, you don't want to hear the results of not changing yourself pronto if that happens to you.
We were demonstrated to, in a workplace safety meeting, the use of the better quality paper particulate filters. Ones with the heavy duty double elastics and proper nose pinch metal with various gaskets out the perimeters.
Nobody could make them work, period! They leak like crazy around the edges. It was quite amusing to see the wearer, approached with the smouldering test stick, and watch the response as the wearer jumped back gagging and coughing as soon as the tester even got close.
The only ones that were effective were two types with the double filters on the sides. People with moustaches had a hard time getting a seal, at any rate. Some had claustrophobia attacks when wearing them...LOL
I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection, usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
When in the shop, I wear safety glasses with bifocals. Always. I even wear them when mowing or edging the lawn, pruning, or doing anything with tools.
For lungs, I wear a half-face respirator with HEPA filters if I'm doing anything that rasies a lot of dust or fine wood cuttings. I learned my lesson working padauk, and the WORST dust I've ever experienced: imbua.
Obviously you have never worked in a chemical laboratory. It is more important to wash going in that coming out. The chemicals will kill what ever is on your skin, but will corrode any skin that they may be inadvertently left on for a long period of time.
I deliberately didn't put "my" in the relevant sentence written above; sorry for any misleading. The particular experience recollected was the most profitable of all kinds: indirect and another's.
And if we turn your second sentence (as you obviously meant) into "It's more important to wash coming out than going in", we are two heads of one mind. Don't let some suspect it "it" get on you and you don't have to worry what it might do to you. How many compounds that are sold as safe today will be banned forever in some regrettable tomorrow? More than one.
Surprisingly, we both neglected to mention glove usage with energetic chemicals and the makeshift but excellent idea of a fan to disperse any troublesome vapors when that doesn't complicate things like finishing.
A glove box is a great utility for grinding, blasting and disassembling machines just dying to spin off small parts or launch springs into the parallel
9th dimension. Also, they come in handy for chemical treatment of things that might not be attractive doing for the operator in a yard covered with 5' of deep sky flake.
Speaking as Josepi did of plants, Euphorbias are a rich group of African succulents that have members with a juice so toxic it is used for fishing over thataway. If anyone saw the great movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy" there was a vivid scene where the good guys shot up some Euphorbia trees over the enemy who surrounded them, giving them a dripping sap bath which caused them to dance on down the road. Anybody who took in the film would remember that, the Bushman with the great face and his click language.
Soon as I sent the preceeding post--after talking with one Ken--I realized I pulled a dunderhead transfer and gave you a new alias. Please have my open apologies for the slip.
I was taught basic lung safety in basic training. Tear gas and smoke. With masks and without for at least a minute. Then there were the colored smoke grenades dropped down the concrete pipe - blew blue, yellow and red snot for days.
Reminds me of college. One of our shop's "grommet burns" (everyone gets together for much Mexican food and even more beer), the new kid runs off to the bathroom. One of the wives yells out, "wash your hands FIRST". "Huh?" Everyone splits a side...
Sure it does. Use what you'd use if you ate something that was too "hot". Water and beer just move the pain around. Bread and milk will quench the pain. May look funny but it'll work.
My son was cleaning up the yard to make some money and got into some poison ivy. He wasn't too bad, but just picking his clothes off the floor and moving them 3' to the washing machine was enough to give SWMBO a *severe* case. It was everywhere, even where women *really** don't want it. I'm not allergic to it, but don't tempt fate either.
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