On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:56:08 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
I suppose they don't allow stairs in Kalifornia, either. Good grief,
one can hit their head getting out of bed.
Bath tubs? Oh, the *humanity*!
If my gym didn't have treadmills, I wouldn't be a member. I use one
for an hour (plus) a day five (plus) days a week. Have one at home,
too, but the motivation is different.
yes they are big bucks and i saw a nicely made wood stand up writing
desk that was $2500
the motorized ones are in the $500-2000
some even display the height on a digital read out which made no sense
well maybe they have a memory for presets or something like that
A good mechanism for presets might especially make sense if the desk
were shared. Growing up, we had one desk in the house, and it was
shared. Not adjustable though. Do you remember telephone books at the
kitchen table? : )
"Do you remember telephone books?" is a fair question now.
Not so long ago the white pages here was 4" thick, and the
yellow pages was two books, each also 4" thick. Now the
white pages are gone, and the yellow pages is one book, only
When the new book was delivered a week or so ago I picked it up out of the
driveway and dropped it in the recycling bin as I went by... I cannot recall
a single time when I opened the phone books that have collected dust in my
office over the past decade or so... I go to the internet!
The main problem is that many phone numbers are not in the book. This as
cell phones and voice over protocols on the internet have widely replaced
traditional land-lines. The only utility the phone books have now is as an
ad revenue source for the book's seller.
On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 1:20:17 PM UTC-4, John Grossbohlin wrote:
Many, many years ago, when we used to actually use the phone books, I added
a shelf in the upper portion of the base cabinet closest to the kitchen wa
ll phone to hold the phone books. Kind of like a little cubby hanging just
below the counter.
SWMBO doesn't think we should toss the new books in the recycling bin the d
ay they show up, so for the past few (many?) years we've replaced the old o
nes with the news ones and there they sit until the next set arrives. She's
happy, I don't care, so it works. ;-)
On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 9:51:55 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
I grew up in NYC with 2 brothers and 1 sister. 6 people in a row house list
ed at 1400 sq ft. The garage was under the house, so to make more room, my
father and grandfather took about 2/3 of the garage and built us a study. T
hey put up a block wall, leaving about 1/3 of the garage accessible from ou
tside and then added a door from the basement into the "new room". They bui
lt this big U shaped unit with 4 "desks" along 3 walls. Each desk was separ
ated by bookshelves above and below the writing surface.
It wasn't anything fancy, just sturdy 2 x 4 construction, but it gave each
of us our own place to study and store our school stuff. In a house that sm
all, with a tiny galley kitchen, we couldn't take over the dining room tabl
e with homework because we'd have no place to eat dinner. Turning the garag
e into a study was a stroke of genius and it got many, many years of use.
This has become a common arrangement for new construction in
South Fla. You open the garage door and there's about 6' of
depth, to store the lawn mower and other garden tools. On
the other side is a room, replete with electrical outlets and
an AC vent, just like the rest of the house.
Dunno if that's done anywhere else in the country.
On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
I guess Dad and Grandpa were pioneers. ;-)
Does South Fla. have 1400 sq ft row houses on 1250 sq ft lots listed as Multiple Occupancy (2 family) and estimated at $600K?
That's what Zillow shows for my old house. Dad paid $27K back in the early 60's and sold it for about $250K in 82. Now it's $600K for that tiny place? Somebody better really like those 4 desks. ;-)
We have houses that size on tinier lots, but they're not
multi-family, and they're not generally that expensive.
You have to take Zillow numbers with a grain of salt, but
still, that's a good ballpark number.
My Dad used to say the house you could afford was 4x your
salary. Of course, he was saying that in the days of 8%
or 10% mortages, but still, I doubt folks in that area have
anything close to $150k annual incomes. They must be hurting
to have to pay that much for a house.
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:26:14 +0000, John McCoy wrote:
It's not the house price, it's the size of the mortgage. And your father
was liberal. I always heard that a mortgage should not exceed 3 times
your annual income. But with 20% down, the bank approved 4x for us.
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 23:47:35 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
3x looks like a pretty good number, assuming 4% interest rates and a
tax millage rate of 2% (a little more complicated that that, since the
millage is based on value, not mortgage). With the above numbers, you
wouldn't be too much over 25% mortage+tax+insurance/income. Of
course, every dime you don't have to pay in real estate tax is a dime
that can be spent on the mortgage (note that 2% millage represents
~1/3 of the mortgage payment). IMO 4x is do-able but starts out in a
pretty deep hole. Of course, all of this is based on 4% interest. At
8%, everything drops roughly in half (and the housing market crashes
Well, in that day and age the 30 year, 20% mortgage was pretty
much the only thing going. So his 4x house price, less 20% is
pretty close to your 3x mortgage.
Myself, I'd be uncomfortable with 1/3d my income going to house
payments. I was a lot more conservative when I bought my house.
shared but not at the same time
but i have decided that i will make a stand up desk that looks more like
a traditional stand up or writing desk
4 legs and possible a sloping top
i find that simple furniture in form and function is more livable than
something big and heavy that requires electric power
there is a guy that has a 100% solar powered shop that makes some
real nice furniture including stand up desks
Some years ago, 14 or so - we had a nice young lady that worked all day
on her feet. Had a stand up desk and met with people all over the
place. Her desk was adjustable, she could do it herself. Before I left
that company for a better job I heard she was a part time model. Desk
near the senior managers offices... wondered.
As I recall, she could step on a lever next to one leg and raise the
table. It was levered so weight didn't mater much. She then placed
a pin with a ring - easy to use - into a hole. Lower it and it catches.
Then she would do the same on the other side that is hanging in a way -
and set it to the right height.
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