Pink Hammers

This thread has slid out of control We are talking about breast cancer here. Something I think we would be glad to see be cured.

Just because someone doesn't contribute to a particular charity in a way that you might doesn't mean they don't endorse the charity's goal or mission. It also is not cool to swear at him, or to say I would never buy that, donate to that, etc. What people do is there own business. And what people donate or do not donate to is almost always is driven by very personal reasons. As I mentioned I, like almost everyone after a certain age, have / had a family member or close friend effected by cancer. I also, like everyone else, get hit up by everyone for money. And like 99.9% of those that frequent this group if I had lots of money, I would give away lots of money - I don't so I have to choose my charity(s). That doesn't mean I don't wish the (put your charity/cause here) the best of luck. When asked I politely tell them that we are donating our money other places.

That being said about this whole pink hammer debate:

I live in the Boston area and there was a big breast cancer walk this past weekend. Part of the story on the local news was that some survivors are getting sick of the whole "pink" thing. They believe that some companies are using only as a marketing ploy and you are better off to just donate to the charity. Some companies may do that.

There are definately better ways to donate to a cause than buying a product and having some % of the sale go to a cause. But, maybe some person is going into ACE to buy a hammer that will only be used to hang a few pictures and they say "Hey I get a hammer I need and a buck goes to breast cancer research" or maybe that person has a connection to the disease and just feels better by buying that hammer. The only one who knows is that person.

Also, after the purchase is a buck more than the breast cancer research group had before he bought the hammer. After being involved in fundraising for most of my adult life. The saying; "the big donations make the papers, the little ones make the difference" is partly true. Although both are equally important.

Are pink hammers, football cleats, baseball bats, etc. going to help increase awareness and raise more money to help cure this and hopefully / eventually all cancers. I do not know, but those that deal with it everyday seem to think so.

I do know that fighting about it will not.

I have a sorta woodworking question above. Lets deal with that.

This was a long post.

Larry C

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Larry C
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So wait, you're posting using both snipped-for-privacy@teksavvy.com AND snipped-for-privacy@no.com reply addresses in the same thread? Why don't you make up your mind so we know who the heck we're talking to?

What? I wasn't the one who told somebody to keep their "BIG MOUTH SHUT". I merely pointed out that yours was dirty; I never suggested you couldn't use it, or that'd I'd punch you out if you did.

No, I'm not, and no I don't. Don't *you* see that being a profane reactionary hot-head just might not be the best way to win over the hearts and minds of others?

Fine.

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Steve Turner

Right! Like your collective sigh of relieve is speaking for everyone you pretentious asshole.

Now I'm done and you can have the last word.

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upscale

"Larry C" wrote

Yep. It isn't just companies seeking to cash on a polically correct movement. It also scumbag profesional "fundraising" organizations that give very little of the money they raise to the charities they supposedly represent.

That said, If I want to donate $15 towards something I will do so directly. Not buy a cheap tool.

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Lee Michaels

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the heck we're

hot-head just

You don't like my cursing and criticize it. I take that as an attempt to curtail my free speech. You don't have to agree with it, you just have to understand that's how I view it.

And, why would I care about winning over the minds of everybody? The only people I care about are the people I respect, who respect me and are my friends. We've earned each other's respect and there's never any cursing or swearing between us because we're honest and forthright with we have to say to each other. We don't have the need to play little word games or try to play innocent in some matter.

It's like you telling me I have to act like a politician. They say what they have to so they appear on the best light when most of us know that every politician bends the truth to some degree. It's part of the job. Maybe you consider that a jaded, cynical point of view, again that's your option.

Fine, you don't agree with some (or all of what I have to say). That's your choice, but please, give me that same choice too.

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upscale

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Pink hammer? That's nothin':

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Mark & Juanita

My wife might like that. It would match her cell phone.

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keithw86

My gosh. Considering the fact that the Pink Hammers represent a very serious and necessary breast cancer campaign; this thread has certainly taken on a nasty tone.

Apparently some of our folks haven't had their lives touched by cancer.

Yet.

RonB

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RonB

Why not? Don't like pink? I would buy a pink hammer if it was a quality hammer. Color does not make much difference, although it might make it easier to find the pink hammer, maybe less likely it might be borrowed.

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Phisherman

Hmmmm. I'm guessing you have some orange tape measures, color- sleeved punches, yellow handled pry bars......too.

If it weren't for my shop apron my projects would take 5 time longer. Just lookin' for pencils.

RonB

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RonB

Where's JOAT, with all this talk about colored tools?

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Swingman

I look at it the other way. Maybe some lives *have* been touched by cancer and some might be a little bitter towards what they *perceive* as a fruitless publicity campaign.

There are different stages to grieving and people grieve in different ways, so maybe we could cut some slack to those we *perceive* as being heartless or insensitive.

Just sayin...

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-MIKE-

Uuuhhh... Maybe that's the way you taught your kids to sell. Our daughter usually sold 200-350 boxes, about 8-10 of which were ours.

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RonB

I think you may have misunderstood me.

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-MIKE-

On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:

Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)

Reply to
David Nebenzahl

Indeed. I just looked at the Cancer Research UK site, - they put the 5 year survival rate at 80% overall and 93% for those picked up during screening.

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litteratuer

Indeed. Bubba neglects to say that the US was #2 after Cuba. The "CONCORD" study where those numbers came from showed that Cuba had an even higher breast cancer survival rate than the US.

Up one for socialist medicine. :-)

see:

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for a discussion of the source.

Luigi

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Luigi Zanasi

"Recent cancer survival in Europe : a 2000-02 period analysis of EUROCARE-4 data," Lancet Oncology, 2007, No. 8, pages 784-796.

Access to this study requires a reprint fee, but a summary is here:

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HeyBub

Correct. Cuba was #1 with 84.0% (US 83.9%).

"While the CONCORD study defends its methods and says that the resulting biases are small, it also warns that when the differences between countries are small, then a small bias might make a big difference in the ranking. So, the bottom line is that from these data and the warnings provided by the study itself, we do not really know whether Cuba, the US, Canada, Sweden or Japan is 'the best' at treating breast cancer."

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HeyBub

1..........Cuba..........84.0 (82.9, 85.2) 2..........US.............83.9 (83.7, 84.1) 3..........Canada......82.5 (81.9, 83.0)

I wonder who on this list is left with a higher percentage of their relative personal wealth measured from before and after they are cured. Also, when running stats this tight, the difference becomes insignificant.

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Robatoy

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