Bob Dylan ("Blowin' in the Wind") was moseying around the neighborhood
adjacent to the baseball stadium in Lakewood, NY where he was appearing in
concert with John Mellencamp ("Freedom's Road") and Willie Nelson (IRS).
Local cops get a call at 5 p.m. that some aged, disheveled, possibly
Communist, hippie is wandering around loose, scaring the folk.
Cop responds, asks Dylan for ID. Dylan doesn't have any!
Backup unit arrives.
Still no ID.
Dylan put in patrol car and whisked away.
Gee, I wish my neighborhood cops were that much on the ball.
I don't understand your comment, but from the cops point of view, when they
see an elderly white man meandering through a minority neighborhood, they
immediately think there's one of two possibilities:
a) He's tryin' to score some smack,or
b) He's suffering from Alzheimer's.
In the instant case, it could have been either.
Or what happened to "He's out taking a walk." What bothers me about the
incident as reported in the press is that the police took him any where.
Last I knew you don't need to have ID in the US and beyond that they had
nothing on him...
A clear case of "profiling" ... where is Quannel 10, Jesse, or the Rev
Al, when you need 'em?
Lack of ID these days is apparently due cause for detention ... it ain't
supposed to be, and you think it's bad now ...
And even when you *have* id, you can get screwed. Guess you heard about the
Canadian woman visiting her mother in Kenya when she started to head back
home, Kenya border security said her lips didn't match her passport picture
and detained her.
To make a long story even longer, Canadian embassy officials cancelled her
passport, she spent 8 days in jail and then was detained in a security area
for three months.
Finally, after a DNA test confirmed her Canadian status as being the mother
of a 12 year old here in Canada, she was allowed to come home.
Despite my occasional bitching about some USA practices, you guys wouldn't
put up with that shit happening to a US citizen for a second. Our Canadian
government consists of wimps and mouthpieces with all the clout and
aggressiveness of a six year old. Trust our vaunted government to turn
Canada in a world joke.
Can you provide the statute to that effect?
I'm not questioning your word but it has been my experience that when
someone says "such and such state requires by law" without quoting the
statute they are often mistaken.
No, I can't. And it's my error.
In Hiibel vs. Nevada, the United States Supreme Court held that failure to
identify is tantamount to obstruction of justice, interference with a
criminal investigation, and just plain anti-social. BUT. The state has to
have such a requirement in its Penal Code.
Evidently New Jersey doesn't have such a statute.
Shhh! Keep it between us.
Back to the original observation that two young cops didn't recognize him.
Ok, definite possibility. But, he was taken to the police station where he
was identified by his staff management. What about older cops? Weren't there
any older cops at the station who could recognize him?
I know many cops are pretty single minded, but there has to be some that
like music and have interests outside the job.
Quote from the article:
"The officers asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them back to the Ocean
Place Resort and Spa, where the performers were staying. Once there,
tour staff vouched for Dylan."
Doesn't read like there was any police station (or arrest/charges)
involved. Reads more like "They asked, he cooperated and that was the
end of it." If a certain professor in recent history had done the
same, there would have been one less beer-bust in the White House, and
a LOT less carping and crowing in the press.
Excuse me: Bob Dylan respected and trusted the cops?!?!?
Read the lyrics to "Subterranean Homesick Blues":
Johnny's in the basement mixing up the medicine
I'm on the pavement thinking about the government
The man in the trench coat, badge out, laid off
Says he's got a bad cough, wants to get it paid off
Look out kid, it's somethin' you did
God knows when but you're doin' it again
You better duck down the alley way lookin' for a new friend
The man in the coon-skip cap in the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills, you only got ten.
Maggie comes fleet foot face full of black soot
Talkin' that the heat put plants in the bed but
The phone's tapped anyway Maggie says that many say
They must bust in early May orders from the DA
Look out kid don't matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes don't try 'No Doz'
Better stay away from those that carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose watch the plain clothes
You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows.
Get sick, get well, hang around an ink well
Ring bell, hard to tell, if anything is goin' to sell
Try hard, get barred, get back, write Braille
Get jailed, jump bail, join the army, if you failed
Look out kid, you're gonna get hit
But users, cheaters, six-time losers
Hang around the theaters, girl by the whirlpool
Lookin' for a new fool, don't follow leaders
Watch the parkin' meters.
Ah get born, keep warm, short pants, romance, learn to dance
Get dressed, get blessed, try to be a success
Please her, please him, buy gifts, don't steal, don't lift
Twenty years of schoolin' and they put you on the day shift
Look out kid, they keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole, light yourself a candle
Don't wear sandals, try to avoid the scandals
Don't wanna be a bum, you better chew gum
The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handles.
Now, there are probably lots of ways to parse this, but I'd like to know
just where you see "respect and trust for the cops" in here.
Besides, Gates did nothing to deserve what the cops did to him; he
simply committed the crime of expressing his displeasure to what was
being done to him by a white cop.
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
Even smart white people know better than to dispute who's in authority
in a cop vs perp showdown. At least I do. A cop will beat you into
the ground or shoot you dead to make you're aware of who's really in
charge. I don't care who you are, white, rich, black, poor. If you
don't know that about cops, you don't know spit. I suggest reading
The Nake Ape by Desmond Morris.
It was JOKE son! But the Dylan episode does illustrate the maxim that the
older one gets, the more conservative they become. Usually.
Right. He committed a crime.
In an earlier time - and a different place - he would have been charged with
Sedition, Anarchy, and Insurrection, a non-bailable offense that carried an
automatic death penalty.
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