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I learned this while reading the evening paper, when I was about 7-8 yrs old.

A family was jes sitting down to their evening meal. Day is done, saying a prayer around the evening table. A couple blocks away, unbeknownst to sed family, a Navy fighter jet from a nearby military base, crash lands in a vacant field. The pilot died crashing the jet in a safe place. So he thought......

The nose landing gear from the jet split off during the crash landing and bounced 2-3 blocks from the crash site and tore thru the front door of the unsuspecting family enjoying their evening meal. That landing gear ripped thru the front door, missed the wife and kids, and cut the father in half!

IOW, one second, safe! The next, dead.

Sadly, I know similar stories. 8|

nb

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notbob
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haha

some people definitely should not use power tools very true

never heard of that show will have to look for it now

Reply to
Electric Comet

I was help "He's dangerous with hand tools, deadly with power tools."

After watching the brother work for a little while, I was glad that my buddy had intervened.

Reply to
DerbyDad03

So we shouldn't take reasonable precautions?

Yes, some people get carried away, but I think I'll keep using my helmet on the motorcycle, my seatbelt in the car, and my face shield when turning.

A lot of us are old geezers. Having a heart attack, a stroke, or just a sudden severe pain is more than a remote possibility. If I'm using a power tool, especially one with a spinning blade, when such occurs I suspect I'll be very happy the guards were in place whan I collapsed :-).

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Larry Blanchard

Which comments? The one pointing out 60 years w/o a face mask and no injuries of any kind? The one making fun of all the really stupid warning labels on everything, or the one where stupid people get to sue because they didn't know the coffee was hot?

Is your point, you can't be too safe, or, if it saves one finger in 10 trillion saw cuts you need to wring your hands over it?

I grew up in an era where the swimming pools had diving boards, playgrounds had swings and sliding boards and tons of other things now gone due to safety and law suits. Parents who let their kids go out unsupervised and play are arrested for endangering the safety of kids. School buses pick up kids that live one block away from the school.

I believe a lot is lost when you overprotect, thus my reference to millennials. Kids need to learn responsibility for themselves, and that seems to be pretty much lost in this screwed up world of lawyers and government protection.

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Jack

Scott Phillips is horrible, and his wife is even worse. (horrible woodworkers, I don't know them, other that they shouldn't be on TV.) He is one of the very few, if not only, TV woodworker that leaves every known contraption on his saw instead of lying and saying safety devices have been removed only for visual and vocal effects. He starts every show with the same dumb ass safety advice, a testimonial to how really stupid Americans have become. Sort of like buying a flashlight and finding 20 pages of safety instructions and a quarter page on how to turn it on and install batteries... Don't eat batteries, don't put batteries in microwave oven, Don't use underwater, don't use as a jack stand, and on and on.

Personally, I think people are smart enough to figure most of this on their own, and those that don't, telling them is breaking a fundamental law of nature, survival of the fittest. (too many idiots polluting the gene pool nowadays)

If you can't find his show, here is all you need to know:

Unplug everything before adjusting, changing blades, and so on. Use safety glasses and face shield at all times. Don't ever set your router down until it comes to a complete stop. Don't ever put any part of your body in front of a band saw blade Wear ear muffs before using a tool that makes any noise. Be sure to read all operating instructions and and use every safety device known to man before using anything. I'm sure I missed a few hundred, but you get the idea.

My advice is use common sense. If you don't have any of that, stick to Pokemon and watching re-runs on TV, or, let nature take it's course.

BTW, I've been using tools for a long time, too long, and was never once injured by a power tool. I have been nicked a few times with hand tools. I find the chances of getting hurt with a hand tool is greater than a power tool, probably because you have a tendency to throw caution to the wind, and wham.

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Jack

Add Brad Stagg, The Ultimate Workshop show. He was demonstrating how to cut a dado and pushing the work through the dado set with the miter gauge. All good so far. Then he stops and almost panics when the camera show that the guard was still on the saw. that absolutely should have been reshot.

Add, Bruce Johnson. He had a diy show and insisted on calling his SCMS a RAS.

You have been lucky.

Reply to
Leon

Yes. It is not a matter of if, so much as when. The more you use power tools the more this is likely to happen. You nicked yourself with a hand tool, that is just as easy with a power tool.

or, if it saves one finger in 10

Agreed to a point. Some protection is good. A parachute is good to have when skydiving. ;~)

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Leon

found an episode and it was pretty bad felt queasy watching it i guess the female cohost was his wife

it was a chest for keepsakes and he even said to make sure and keep all your keepsakes

ever noticed how many stickers from different agencies are on a ladder it is amazing but i guess people have a hard time operating ladders

they operate motor vehicles too

this is all forced upon him by the network lawyers

have known some youtube hosts that posted videos and immediately they were inundated with emails and posts telling them how unsafe everything was that they were doing

the hosts probably had more experience than all the viewers combined

hosts were somewhat shocked at how venomous the posts and emails were

roger on the hand tools that is my bane for small nicks and cuts

Reply to
Electric Comet

I think you will find that the ladder stickers are all CYA as a result of our litigious society...

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bnwelch

There have been some big lawsuits from ladder accidents. Yes, there are some idiots using them. Had a guy at work have two accidents before I banned him from ever using one. In once case, he used a section of an extension ladder upside down and wondered why it slipped on him.

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Ed Pawlowski

Yes, but I'm also careful. I've never been lucky or unlucky with my unguarded raw table saw. Never been lucky with my router, shaper, planer, belt/disk sander, band saw, grinder, mortiser either. I have been lucky with my lathe and drill press when I left the chuck key in and turned them on. Also I've had lathe turnings break, but never came near getting injured. Those incidents I've been lucky I guess, but I don't consider lathe and drill press very dangerous tools, so I get careless more so than my other power tools. (I do wear eye protection with the lathe, and other tools, but I don't protect against an idiot turning them on with a chuck key in the chuck) I really don't get careless with my table saw or shaper, both tools require great respect. I never turn on the grinder or wire wheel w/o eye protection.

Having said all that, I have noticed with advancing age, my mind tends to wander more than ever, and that, combined with less usage, it's becoming more of a challenge to remain reasonably safe. There is a time when one should look to other interests I guess, but fortunately it seems my interest in taking on large projects is diminishing as well as my ability to focus.

Photography seems safe enough...yuck!

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Jack

some people just want to do things they are not equipped to do

some know their limitations and some do not

unfortunately some need outside help to prevent them from hurting themselves

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Electric Comet

Jack wrote in news:nnl65k$la6$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

I saw some advice regarding the chuck key that's worth repeating: The chuck key is either in your hand or in it's home (which isn't the chuck!) It's easy to leave the tool where you last used it, but for the chuck key this could be very bad.

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

I don't think I have ever left a chuck key in a chuck, seems some how like leaving a wrench on a saw arbor. You naturally remove it when finished. I guess some one should invent a chuck stop. :-)

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Leon

Leon wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news.giganews.com:

I haven't left any keys in drill chucks, but lathe chucks are another story. Usually you're messing with the material, trying to get it to run true and it's easy to get focused on the material and forget about the key.

A chuck stop would be easy enough. Just put a couple microswitches where the key goes and if one of those microswitches is pushed the lathe will refuse to start. Even better may be optical switches, just so the tool doesn't have to be pushed down. (If one of those patent trolls buys the idea, this post counts a "Prior Art"!)

Some lathes DO have a chuck stop... When the lathe starts, the key stays in the chuck and then suddenly and violently hits the lathe and bad things happen.

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

I only have 3 drills with chuck keys. One is a big-ass Black and Decker corded drill with a ton of power. It has a cool rubber grommet type thing attached to the cord that holds the key very securely.

The other is a 25 year-old little Skil corded hammer drill that helped me build my first home 20+ years back. It has the little recessed, friction-fit hole that is "supposed" to hold the key. I don't know why I still keep that drill, other than the sentimental value. :-)

The 3rd is the drill press. It was very frustrating to look for the chuck key, whenever I'd take it with me or leave it on the bench. I finally placed a magnet on the belt lid for attaching the key when not in use. That's where it stays and I don't remember the last time I misplaced it.

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-MIKE-

Great minds ...

Reply to
Swingman

Mine is crudely but effectively tied to the table height release lever...that's the way it came when I picked it up, and seems to work for me...

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bnwelch

Mine's on one of those little tables you can attached to the DP column. My key has a spring-loaded tip, so it's almost impossible to leave _in_ the chuck if you let go.

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Scott Lurndal

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