Yes. Average size of post WWII house: under 1000 SF. Average size of Iraq
era house, about 2800 SF. Just one thing. Of course, those Levittown houses,
starting out just over 900 SF, IMS, are now larger and selling for something
more like $350,000 than their original under 5K prices.
Few years ago I was in a mall and they had a display of vintage Corvettes.
One had the original price list that was about $4200. I thought to myself,
"why didn't I have one back then as they were fairly cheap?" Then I did
some simple math and realized back they it was about a year's wages..
Right. They were for those with disposable income then as they are
today. Many of these cars were the second car in a family. Quite common
today to have at least two cars (two are practically expected!) but in
'65 not so much - evidence of spare cash for those who did have the
Corvettes and Jags.
Also consider how many toys and additional expenses we have today that
we "just couldn't live without" compared to 40 years ago: the
aforementioned 2 cars in the family; cable TV; cell phones; computers;
internet access; and expensive convenience foods (above and beyond the
Swanson TV dinners) just to name a few.
Take a look at our shop tools compared with what our fathers had! My dad
was a chemical engineer and made a middle class living but I remember
him asking for a Stanley #7 for Christmas in the very early '70s to work
on the woodwork for the house he was building us. Today most of us would
go out and buy our own as the need arises. He had a used 4" jointer, a
used radical alarm saw, a router and a belt sander. Everything else was
done by hand or he sought out a local mill to do bulk surfacing. He
would be amazed at the upper-end shop tools I have out there.
In other words, yes things cost more than they did in the good old days
but perhaps it's in part an indicator of how much extra cash (whether
in-hand or available through borrowing) is floating around - i.e. charge
what the market will bear. This is especially evident with the housing
Yep, when it was one talk per copper pair there was more demand than supply.
How do they work the taxes? US folks have taxes to provide "essential
service" to the poor, excise, connection taxes and 9-1-1 assessments. Do
these internet-based outfits charge them, or do they fall under the "can't
tax the internet" legislation?
Ah, "bundle" of wireline services with DSL rather than using the bandwidth
on the DSL.
Lots of folks here have gone away from landline altogether. Cellular or
internet calling through cable is cheaper.
On 12/1/2005 12:48 AM Greg G. mumbled something about the following:
Georgia Hardwoods in Buford
Atlanta Wood Products - South Cobb Dr and River Rd
Peachstate Lumber in Kennesaw
Suwanee Lumber Co. in Suwanee
You might want to check out http://www.woodworkersguildofga.com and look
at the forum. Occassionally someone is selling lumber.
If you don't mind air dried rough lumber, check out
He's located north of Buford.
NOBODY clear-cuts a hardwood forest with the expectation that it will be one
in the future. Clear-cutting is for softwood. where it makes sense because
the seedlings don't tolerate shading well.
I really doubt that it's much different down there either from a sivaculture
or tax standpoint
No one ever claimed they wanted it to grow back. They strip it for
the hardwoods, and either leave it fallow, or build McMansions on it.
When they build here now, EVERY tree is removed. After all, don't
want those pesky song birds waking you up in the morning. And those
evil trees take up space that could be used for pavement or another
stinking, worthless house.
The areas left with trees are where the locals wouldn't sell - yet.
There are over 20 houses in this one picture alone. This mess is
tucked in a slim alley between two older neighborhoods - that's why
there are still trees visible.
When developers originally moved into Atlanta, they built nice homes,
left the majority of the trees, and the houses actually had yards for
But Ryland Homes and other such maggot's interpretation of
homebuilding is to strip everything - and I mean EVERYTHING.
The top soil, the trees, the rocks. All that is left is red clay.
Everything else is trucked off and sold.
When you buy a bag of potting soil at Home Depot, you don't get a well
mixed formula of perlite, vermiculite, peat moss and composted soil.
You get a bag of Georgia Forest Topsoil - even says so on the back of
the bags in very small print. It doesn't even matter what brand you
buy: Miracle Grow (crap), private brands (crap), Jungle (better),
Bayer (same crap) or Schultz (used to be a good mix, but now it's
produced locally and is crap as well.)
They just got started on this one...
They attempt to alter the rolling terrain to fit their crappy slab
homes, and then everyone surrounding this mess is left to deal with
the rainwater erosion problems they have created. It's horrible...
And these damned northern industrial city transplants just eat up...
They have turned a forested jewel into a cesspool of foul pollution.
Unmanaged growth and development, crooked local government officials
hungry for money and kickbacks, and locals who sell-off to get the
hell away from what this is turning into. It's not a pretty site...
Even been to Compton, CA? Welcome home!
Sorry about the rant, but I have to live here...
It's like someone raping your child - over and over - and you're
powerless to stop them.
I know - don't remind me. <g> We fly out there several times a year.
Little did I realize the first time I went to LA, back in the early
eighties, that it would follow me home just a few years later...
The in-laws live in Santa Barbara and sisters live in LA and in the
Sierras, NE of San Francisco. One writes hiking books about the
waterfalls and trails of California. One raises hybrid Orchids. One
raises kids. I've been up and down the entire state - albeit mostly
along the coast. Nice weather, but way too many people in an
artificially sustained environment. To many scam artists and price
fixing monopolies as well. Looked at your water or power bill lately?
<g> Rolling blackouts, my ass - more like engineered scare tactics
vying for price increases. I'm just fearful that we're heading in the
On 12/1/2005 3:55 PM Greg G. mumbled something about the following:
You need to move out of metro. I live 40 miles from 285, my closest
neighbor is 150 ft away through the woods and I can't see his house, and
if I was to drive to his house, it's damn near a 1/4 mile drive (the
neighbor on the other side would be almost a mile drive door to door).
Odinn - thinking it's almost time to move to the country.
What town are you nearest to?
I don't disagree - but I also need to have to have certain vital
services - like High Speed Internet - for income. We do programming
and system support work from home. I doubt I'll be making enough at
woodworking to cover our expenses. <g>
I actually drove to Cartersville for 2 years, subcontracting a job
there, 50 miles out of Atlanta, and no sooner than I got there, the
developers began clearing out the farmlands...
Of course, the proximity of the Interstate doesn't help in that
regard... We even looked around northern Alabama, outside of
Huntsville as a possible solution.
Same with Florida. Moved there in '90, and moved to 4 different
cities before I gave up and moved back here.
It like a plague, and I'm the carrier. :-\ I'm getting to the
point that when I see Caterpillar yellow, I drop into a
pseudo-epileptic fit. I've lived in cities, and don't like it.
No single species should have such exclusive and overwhelming
dominance over any area. It just ain't healthy, I tell ya...
And before I forget, thanks for the link to the Bobtail Critter
Sawmill. This is about what I'm looking for...
On 12/2/2005 12:49 AM Greg G. mumbled something about the following:
3.5 miles from a little town called Bethlehem (pop 320).
I have high speed internet via cable. I'm in the computer industry as
well (Sr. Unix Architect used to be a Software Engineer - don't you just
love the names they use to glorify programmer and sysadmin positions)
and require it (I had satellite for a while, which barely managed).
Okay, don't move out here, it's already getting too crowded. We had a
traffic jam on my road yesterday (I was behind 2 cars doing 43 in a 45
mph zone) and I don't need it worse.
Odinn - seriously thinking of moving to the country before it gets too
Actually I'm in western PA where I recently found a rather small father/son
run sawmill, just north of Pittsburgh.
On my last trip up I picked up about 35-40 bf for about $80.
It was a mixed lot of 4/4 & 7/4 cherry, 4/4 WOak, 4/4 sycamore
and a 3x3x72 piece of soft maple
Add $10 for gas and still less than $3/ bf
FWIW, even the local Rocklers' sells S3S ROak for $3.50 - $4.00
Kinfolks is acceptable... for a colloquialism.
But never was a Burt fan, thanks.
I really wouldn't know. I prefer more seasoned women. Besides,
they put old guys like me in jail for hanging around the schoolyard.
I hear ya.
I was in the same situation until I shot some video of a prominent
Texas politician in a .. um.. compromising position at a park near the
Corpus Christy Navel Air Station.
Now it's Iranian Beluga Caviar and Dom - all the way.
You spend WAY too much time swapping configuration properties in
Agent. But what I'd really like to know is which one of you smart-ass
wreckers this _really_ is... Tyvek the Conqueror has never made a
post to Usenet before yesterday, and I have a sneaking suspicion that
you are actually... hmm... 220grit. :-p
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