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Easy to find on the interwebs? What do you need?
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I don't know. Googling for "XP installation disk" produces a large amount of contradictory advice.
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<snip> >>Easy to find on the interwebs? What do you need?

Ok ... Do you have an existing system or a COA (Licence) sticker you could refer to perchance?
On an existing system there are tools that will display the *actual* code in use, rather than what is being displayed (Belarc Advisor being one and that also tells you a lot of other things).

Sure, but you might be mixing terms / needs there. An 'installation disk', as supplied by the board or box manufacturer then if it was a big player then might be able to buy a replacement (unlikely now) or find / download / torrent one somewhere.
Or (and better imho) is to see what version you are currently running (see above and look at the System display in Control panel and it should say something like Windows XP Professional 64 bit so that's what you are looking for. I think there were also two versions around 2002 (so before and after etc).
From there you just need the boot / install media, follow the prompts and not long later you will have a fresh install. You may still have to install some drivers but again, they should be available from the board or box maker, is XP was originally an option.
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All you need to do is get the key before you wipe it, download the installation disk, reinstall it after the wipe and use the key you saved before the wipe.
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(or even Windows and Libre/Open Office)

Agreed.

Agreed.
I installed Linux on a couple of old PC's as an experiment for mate in the PC shop and he actually sold one (£25). It wasn't long before it came back because it wouldn't run his golf program. ;-(
The thing is, few people know what an OS is, let alone know the difference between Windows and Linux, all they (learn to) care about is that the kid next door can help them fix Windows and knows nothing about Linux (along with most PC shops).
A few years ago now I installed Linux for my BIL and he uses that mainly for his everyday needs. He still needs Windows (dual boot) for those 'Windows only' programs and games and it's funny when I go there and find all the Windows programs / installers he's downloaded and finds won't run.
I went up there the other day and whilst there he asked me to explain why the Linux updates wouldn't complete successfully. It gave a clue to their being 'insufficient disk space' but he had 1.9G free on his root partition? Because there were no friendly (/obvious) 'cleanup' tools on Linux I had to roll my sleeves up and deleted about 20 obsolete linux-kernel files (using Synaptic), magically freeing up enough space for the update to complete?
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On 04/01/2018 19:47, T i m wrote:

That was always my biggest issue. Oh, that and packages not updating because some suppository had magically made it's self illegal/invalid/duplicated/unknown or whatever with no clear way to rectify the situation.
Why can't Linux have a simple option in the gear-wheelsy config "desktop" bit that allows you to select number of kernel files kept e.g. 3 "roll-backs" as default ?
Needless to say I haven't booted up a Linux virtual box since the last time it decided it needed peeking and poking or whatever to get it to play nicely after it tried to update after a virgin install. Still at least with virtual machines is easy to get rid of. ;)
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If it had a reliable CD/DVD writer in it, that might be of use. Many of the modern ones I get are crap at writing cds that my normal CD player can read, whereas those of a few years back seem to be better at this job. My guess is that the newer devices are jack of all trades, masters of none.
Some electronic bods like the old psus to give them bench power supplies, got any ham radio groups near you? What is the keyboard like. If its usb and reasonable might be better than the el cheapo ones you get these days. Keep the mains lead. Its a pity you don't have the room as I have a number of old xp machines in use as back up storage when needed on a network.
Memory sticks only of use to people trying to keep old machine running. If it has separate sound card can be handy if its still a supported model, but not many are now. What other cards does it have. Serial or parralel cards, network cards and any non graphics card can be handy to some people. Rest is probably recyclable. As you say, unless you can use the ide drive locally, you need to physically destroy it if it has any chance of holding personal info. Brian
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On 03/01/2018 21:15, Tim Lamb wrote:

I've got a few of these that were 'retired' when the current (ex-corporate) Win10 boxes were installed in the home office.
At the moment, the XP boxes are set up just as they were on the day they were turned off - reasonably well-specced for 'office' machines, decent-sized hard drives.
I think I know the answer <g> - but is there a reliable way of wiping any confidential info (passwords etc) without removing the XP install..? I'd like them to go to somewhere where they'll be used, but don't particularly want my bank account emptied or my email hacked!
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On 04/01/18 08:53, Adrian Brentnall wrote:

Ive got 4 now and all have had XP install wiped.
And new disks isntalled and now run Linux, faster than they ever ran XP...

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On Thursday, 4 January 2018 10:05:32 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

And the point of running Linux fasters is ?
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On 04/01/18 10:33, whisky-dave wrote:

who said there was a point?
I merely noted that old hardware can be recycled to do specific stuff better using Linux
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Sadly, just as it would be with Win10, this is not an option here, where I need to support certain hardware and run certain programs.
At the moment, I'm struggling to revert to XP on a Mint laptop that seems to have had its bios corrupted by a previous owner.
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On 04/01/18 11:16, Bill wrote:

Legacy boot is what you use to get rid of Microsoft. YOu may need to revert to UEFI to get windows to reinstall, thiugh why anyone would want to...
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 11:57:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher

Anyone who wants to make use of pretty well all the hardware, games, applications out there?
Anyone who has a life and doesn't want to have to 'learn' to be a Linux geek?
Anyone who doesn't have a tame Linux geek and then would need to find one to get their machine (OS) fixed when it goes wrong.
Apart from them, no one. ;-)
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 10:05:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher

Try installing Linux on 64M of RAM (or at least a version that is as useable as XP still is).
*Every* installation of Linux I've done on any old XP PC has run *slower* than XP did, assuming you aren't just a nerd and only using the CLI etc (and MSDOS was probably just as fast).
The biggest killer is finding an efficient graphics card driver for Linux for the older stuff. Ok, it might 'work' but rarely works better than a manufacturers driver written specifically for the job.
That said, assuming it actually runs, it's probably *easier* to install Linux on an old PC for someone who doesn't know their way around Windows drivers ... assuming you then actually make use of it afterwards.
My mate still sells old / low spec Linux laptops because people use them for running car diagnostic tools (that won't run on Linux).
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No. Run DBAN on them and install Linux Mint.
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On 04/01/2018 10:06, Huge wrote:

If I'm not sure what the next owner will want to do with them, I guess I might as well just DBAN them. They can then install whatever they want.. Thanks Adrian
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 08:53:55 +0000, Adrian Brentnall

I think the closest 'easy' way is to create a new user / admin account and deleting the accounts and data for all the others. Then you could use something like Ccleaner to wipe the free space and / or Defraggler, after emptying the recycling bin of course. ;-)

Assuming you have the original licence and install media (although you can get the latter online), XP can be quite quick to re-install, made much easier if you have the drivers on hand ready to install all the bits that aren't detected automatically.
Or as mentioned elsewhere, wipe it with something like a DBAN boot CD and then install Linux Mint on it, leaving the new owner to re-install XP (or whatever) if they want.
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On 04/01/18 08:53, Adrian Brentnall wrote:

Install Eraser (<https://eraser.heidi.ie/ ). That will work with XP if it has SP3.
You can selectively erase files or folders - not just delete but overwrite. I used to use this years ago when I used my XP machine for confidential business work. I don't know if it still has it, but it could also "erase" free disk space. This was useful to clean up old disks where there was a large amount of "deleted" file data, which might be restorable or partly recoverable with special utilities.
Of course, erasing a large amount of data will take quite a time. If you've got a large HD drive, running to a couple of hundred MB or more, you will need hours to wipe it securely.
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The problem isn't erasing files, it's knowing which files to erase. And the *only* certain method is to DBAN (or equivalent) the disks. (And if you're properly paranoid, to physically destroy them, but that's a little OTT for a home user.)
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