<snip> >>Easy to find on the interwebs? What do you need?
Ok ... Do you have an existing system or a COA (Licence) sticker you
could refer to perchance?
On an existing system there are tools that will display the *actual*
code in use, rather than what is being displayed (Belarc Advisor being
one and that also tells you a lot of other things).
Sure, but you might be mixing terms / needs there. An 'installation
disk', as supplied by the board or box manufacturer then if it was a
big player then might be able to buy a replacement (unlikely now) or
find / download / torrent one somewhere.
Or (and better imho) is to see what version you are currently running
(see above and look at the System display in Control panel and it
should say something like Windows XP Professional 64 bit so that's
what you are looking for. I think there were also two versions around
2002 (so before and after etc).
From there you just need the boot / install media, follow the prompts
and not long later you will have a fresh install. You may still have
to install some drivers but again, they should be available from the
board or box maker, is XP was originally an option.
Cheers, T i m
I installed Linux on a couple of old PC's as an experiment for mate in
the PC shop and he actually sold one (£25). It wasn't long before it
came back because it wouldn't run his golf program. ;-(
The thing is, few people know what an OS is, let alone know the
difference between Windows and Linux, all they (learn to) care about
is that the kid next door can help them fix Windows and knows nothing
about Linux (along with most PC shops).
A few years ago now I installed Linux for my BIL and he uses that
mainly for his everyday needs. He still needs Windows (dual boot) for
those 'Windows only' programs and games and it's funny when I go there
and find all the Windows programs / installers he's downloaded and
finds won't run.
I went up there the other day and whilst there he asked me to explain
why the Linux updates wouldn't complete successfully. It gave a clue
to their being 'insufficient disk space' but he had 1.9G free on his
root partition? Because there were no friendly (/obvious) 'cleanup'
tools on Linux I had to roll my sleeves up and deleted about 20
obsolete linux-kernel files (using Synaptic), magically freeing up
enough space for the update to complete?
Cheers, T i m
That was always my biggest issue. Oh, that and packages not updating
because some suppository had magically made it's self
illegal/invalid/duplicated/unknown or whatever with no clear way to
rectify the situation.
Why can't Linux have a simple option in the gear-wheelsy config
"desktop" bit that allows you to select number of kernel files kept e.g.
3 "roll-backs" as default ?
Needless to say I haven't booted up a Linux virtual box since the last
time it decided it needed peeking and poking or whatever to get it to
play nicely after it tried to update after a virgin install.
Still at least with virtual machines is easy to get rid of.
If it had a reliable CD/DVD writer in it, that might be of use. Many of the
modern ones I get are crap at writing cds that my normal CD player can read,
whereas those of a few years back seem to be better at this job. My guess is
that the newer devices are jack of all trades, masters of none.
Some electronic bods like the old psus to give them bench power supplies,
got any ham radio groups near you?
What is the keyboard like. If its usb and reasonable might be better than
the el cheapo ones you get these days.
Keep the mains lead.
Its a pity you don't have the room as I have a number of old xp machines in
use as back up storage when needed on a network.
Memory sticks only of use to people trying to keep old machine running.
If it has separate sound card can be handy if its still a supported model,
but not many are now.
What other cards does it have. Serial or parralel cards, network cards and
any non graphics card can be handy to some people.
Rest is probably recyclable.
As you say, unless you can use the ide drive locally, you need to
physically destroy it if it has any chance of holding personal info.
This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
I've got a few of these that were 'retired' when the current
(ex-corporate) Win10 boxes were installed in the home office.
At the moment, the XP boxes are set up just as they were on the day they
were turned off - reasonably well-specced for 'office' machines,
decent-sized hard drives.
I think I know the answer <g> - but is there a reliable way of wiping
any confidential info (passwords etc) without removing the XP install..?
I'd like them to go to somewhere where they'll be used, but don't
particularly want my bank account emptied or my email hacked!
Sadly, just as it would be with Win10, this is not an option here, where
I need to support certain hardware and run certain programs.
At the moment, I'm struggling to revert to XP on a Mint laptop that
seems to have had its bios corrupted by a previous owner.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 11:57:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Anyone who wants to make use of pretty well all the hardware, games,
applications out there?
Anyone who has a life and doesn't want to have to 'learn' to be a
Anyone who doesn't have a tame Linux geek and then would need to find
one to get their machine (OS) fixed when it goes wrong.
Apart from them, no one. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 10:05:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Try installing Linux on 64M of RAM (or at least a version that is as
useable as XP still is).
*Every* installation of Linux I've done on any old XP PC has run
*slower* than XP did, assuming you aren't just a nerd and only using
the CLI etc (and MSDOS was probably just as fast).
The biggest killer is finding an efficient graphics card driver for
Linux for the older stuff. Ok, it might 'work' but rarely works better
than a manufacturers driver written specifically for the job.
That said, assuming it actually runs, it's probably *easier* to
install Linux on an old PC for someone who doesn't know their way
around Windows drivers ... assuming you then actually make use of it
My mate still sells old / low spec Linux laptops because people use
them for running car diagnostic tools (that won't run on Linux).
Cheers, T i m
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 08:53:55 +0000, Adrian Brentnall
I think the closest 'easy' way is to create a new user / admin account
and deleting the accounts and data for all the others. Then you could
use something like Ccleaner to wipe the free space and / or
Defraggler, after emptying the recycling bin of course. ;-)
Assuming you have the original licence and install media (although you
can get the latter online), XP can be quite quick to re-install, made
much easier if you have the drivers on hand ready to install all the
bits that aren't detected automatically.
Or as mentioned elsewhere, wipe it with something like a DBAN boot CD
and then install Linux Mint on it, leaving the new owner to re-install
XP (or whatever) if they want.
Cheers, T i m
Install Eraser (<https://eraser.heidi.ie/ ). That will work with XP if
it has SP3.
You can selectively erase files or folders - not just delete but
overwrite. I used to use this years ago when I used my XP machine for
confidential business work. I don't know if it still has it, but it
could also "erase" free disk space. This was useful to clean up old
disks where there was a large amount of "deleted" file data, which might
be restorable or partly recoverable with special utilities.
Of course, erasing a large amount of data will take quite a time. If
you've got a large HD drive, running to a couple of hundred MB or more,
you will need hours to wipe it securely.
The problem isn't erasing files, it's knowing which files to erase. And
the *only* certain method is to DBAN (or equivalent) the disks. (And
if you're properly paranoid, to physically destroy them, but that's
a little OTT for a home user.)
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