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Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on.
No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.
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That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm.
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bm presented the following explanation :

When ??? Seems very unlikely to me..
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On 02/05/2017 15:39, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

If somehow Labour can hint at an exit Brexit option they may well have a chance at the election.
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Labour can't win either way on brexit/remain from a numbers perspective. Their traditional voters are split 1/3rd brexit, 2/3rds remain. However, the brexit 1/3rd were more heavily on the left, where the party has decided to concentrate its direction, at the cost of losing its more centre voters. If it were to move to a remain position, it would lose both its left and centre voters. (It's already thought it's lost a significant part of its left to Conservatives, purely because they don't think Labour is brexit enough, and they feel more strongly about brexit than they do about Labour/socialism.)
This shows the difference in position between the Labour Party members, and the traditional Labour voters.
Conserveratives have exactly the same issue in mirror image. However, Conservative remainers are much less likely to vote non-Conservative than Labour brexiters are likey to vote non-Labour. Conservatives will almost certainly lose some seats to LibDems, but nowhere near as many as they stand to gain from Labour (bearing in mind they'll probably get all 5M UKIP votes too).
If Labour were nearer the centre (e.g. New Labour), then a Labour remain stance would work from a figures perspective, because it would match the views of a much larger number of traditional Labour voters, and they could steal the Conservative remainers, and probably all the LibDem votes too.
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OTOH, they would then be Tories. While it would be a great gravy train ticket for Labour MPs it would not do the rest of us any good, as we would then have elected the Tory 'B' team and be in the same position as now, minus a bit of political skill.
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On Tue, 02 May 2017 14:05:30 +0100, bm wrote:

McDonnell would take the UK back to the 1970s. Strikes, RedRobbo (remember him?) etc. He'd probably support the return of the IRA too, & introduce Mao's Little Red Book into schools. Lovely!
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On 02/05/2017 16:58, Martin Barclay wrote:

like we don't have strikes now !!!
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On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:

You don't remember the 1970s do you.
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I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign owners tend to value their workforce rather more.
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On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to Poland and other places.
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"Andrew" wrote in message wrote:

Don't worry, Dave will blame the previous owners for selling.
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And that is because of a striking workforce?
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message wrote:

You are not stupid merely a shit, stirring shit. You know that and everyone else knows it.
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On 02/05/2017 21:10, Vir Campestris wrote:

I was in them
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On 03/05/2017 19:47, critcher wrote:

In that case you'll recall how industrial relations got so bad that we had rubbish piling up in the streets, soldiers driving fire engines, and the three day week.
Compared with that, even bearing in mind the SR thing, we have no real problems.
Several sources point to tens of millions of work days being lost to strikes in the 70s, compared to hundreds of thousands now.
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True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the workforce in their place.
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On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The employment rules stop that most of the time. Its only the racists that exploit the illegal immigrants that make them work below the legal levels.
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We arent talking about below legal levels.
We are actually talking about doing what you are paid to do.
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Employment rules only really apply to the employed. Hence all these self employed doing jobs once done by staff. And the taxman losing out heavily from those now not on PAYE, who would have been in older times.

Plenty UK born seem to prefer living off benefits than working for a minimum wage. And you don't have to be a racist to exploit workers. Just the average capitalist. ;-)
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