Currently, the incoming phone cable terminates in a small junction box on
the front wall of the property, from where a separate cable runs some thirty
feet to the master socket. The phone and wired router are both located on a
desk very close to the master socket.
The builders doing some renovation work on the house have suggested putting
the master socket on the front wall and then running two cables to the desk
area. Is there any technical reason why that shouldn't be done? Will the
internet performance be affected if the router is further from the master
socket than it is at present?
Interesting, thanks. I wonder then why the master socket wasn't placed by
BT where the builders are suggesting putting it now. Is it usual for the
incoming cable not to run directly to a master socket but to terminate in a
junction box just inside the property and then run on from there? Doesn't
that junction in the cable affect the quality or performance of the line?
However in practice Openreach dont give a shit.
I took my overhead into the new build loft, and connected it to some cat
5 and ran it down to a master socket where I wanted iot. Ehen I had
issues with the line, the Openreach engineer said 'it checks out OK -
the fault is in the road, but I've put a proper BT junction box in the
loft for you :-)
Not so as you would notice, no.
Corroded joints are the problem, or huge runs on cable that isn't some
semblance of twisted pair.
Good joints are unnoticeable up to the sorts of frequencies that ADSL
runs at (<2MHz) and are totally unnoticeable for actual audio.
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Proper screw or crimped connections, proper BT or CAT5 style cable, and
as long as you aren't running past a radio transmitter, you wont notice
Use a nice ADSL filter equipped master faceplate, too.
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On 20/08/2016 9:05 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I will second that. Having a faulty line for over a year, I eventually
got Tiscali to send an engineer. I was very concerned that my none BT
box and very clean wiring, routed back to the junction point, was noticed.
I showed the engineer some captures of the constant internet (only)
signal drops. He looked at the box and line. He took the cover off the
box. He said, 'nothing wrong in here. He did the same for the junction
box. He then said he is having 30 minutes dinner and then will inspect
the street cabinet.
He later explained a cable had become stretched, that he has eased
pressure on it but, it may happen again. (?)
Some months later, It did. I cannot remember and the same guy phoned
me and said he is getting on with putting a new piece of wire in the
cabinet. He did; job done, no problems since.
You take your chances with who visits you.
My Virgin one has two joins, one in a box on the wall outside and one on my
window sill inside the house, then the master socket is on the skirting
board. The guy who came to fis it a few weeks back said he was glad it had a
box not a master socket as it made changing the offending bit, between the
box and the outside box a lot easier.
The original instalation had rather perversely been put under my stainless
steel step plate in the porch and over time the flexing had basically
chaffed away the insulation.
The new wire runs above the door.
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True, but often ignored. If you are convinced that you or your builders
can do a "proper job" of moving it, it's vanishingly improbable that BT
will ever notice.
Not usual these days, the "lozenge" was typical before sockets when the
all phones were fixed wiring. I think a standard BT install now is
generally to have the master socket within a meter of where it enters
the property, any thing else is chargeable, or the customer's
On 8/20/2016 9:18 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
BT prefer to terminate direct onto master socket, and as long as this is
within a metre or so of point of entry they will do that.
Further than that they will charge.
Any joint can result in degradation of signal - however you are unlikely
to notice this.
If where you want master socket is a long way form point of entry they
would normally terminate in a box and then run cable to the master socket.
As someone mentioned this would be in a 'lozenge' shaped box
Anything before the master socket, including the terminal box, is the
property of Openreach.
Legally only they can work on this.
However records are not up to date - you could move and as long as it is
done with correct terminations, unlikely to ever be queried.
The recommend answer if asked was to say your guy moved it for me
....... no engineer is going to drop his mate in it.
However if not correctly terminated and incorrect cable - then you will
be charged in the event of a fault.
Perhaps they have relaxed rules - but used to be it had to be as near to
point of entry as possible - they didn't want to be responsible for
cable within premise.
Easy to have a point of entry demarc location everything downstream is
them not their problem.
I built ducting into my foundations and a BT duct comes up inside my
comms cupboard ..... so not an issue for me.
Other than fact have had comments for not using their master sockets,
use my own purchased ones with built in filter and split out data &
voice connections, so don't have to use front panel or BT filter - for
Spider work maybe. The original input fed 4 telephone points. One of
which was connected to the router. Max speed 5 to 8Meg.
There was no master socket.
Following the recent nearby lightning strike, Open Reach fitted a master
socket at the input point. When I whinged about line speeds he
volunteered to move the master to where the router is connected.
This allowed the disposal of filters recommended by my provider.
Yes, I thought it was standard practice now to put the router right next
to the master socket.
That gives us a problem in upgrading to use FTTC, as I assume it would
involve putting an ugly new box on the wall near the master socket which
is currently in the hallway, as was common practice 30 years ago.
Unfortunately there's no mains socket nearby except a single one on the
other side of a doorway (and that's needed from time to time for a
vacuum cleaner). Does anyone know whether OpenReach are willing to
install a new master socket in a new location if one upgrades to FTTC
without charging an arm and a leg?
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