Reflecting cold

I've met people like that. Fruitcakes is too polite a word for them.

This cap; does it affect the dark money flow? Only, I'm thinking, if you were to take the dark money and expose it to light for a nanosecond, you'd be able to regenerate the darkcashflow and recharge your pockets with dark money, thus creating a Dark Ponzi Scheme.

smaller than Tom's."

Jim was jealous but he was pretty.

I have never seen any ship with a reversed wheel. Not even historic replicas.

x-posted to uk.rec.sailing...

Andy

Thereby creating a Pyramid of the Dark. I wonder if it sharpens knives, too?

smaller than Tom's."

Envious rather than jealous?

Indeed. What changed were the orders given, not the direction of action.

Ian

On 11/11/2011 23:34, Andy Champ wrote: :

Can't say I have ever seen a replica Viking longboat with a wheel. ;-)

Not x-posted.

me neither

Didn't they have a *steering board* (in Danish) and hence starboard?

regards

Close, but the derivation apparently is Old English.

The modern form is the tiller which of course continues to turn you in the opposite direction to the movement of the tiller.

A few early cars were steered by means of a tiller. That must have been fun.

Anyone remember BEV trucks? IIRC they had a lever that moved up and down for steering.

Chris

Doesn't the officer of the watch say "Steer 200" to the helmsman, so if you're going due south that means the same as if he said "Starboard 20"?

As I said, I was quoting a report, on a TV program about the sinking of the Titanic. A couple of other points:

1. Wikipedia also mentions it, but with a 'dubious' suffix.
2. Unless you actually sailed the ship, you would not know which way the rudder turned for a given movement of the wheel. Until the ship is underway, it's just a wheel.

My brother-in-law has sailed all over the world, and around it, I'll ask him if he has ever heard of this theory.

Exactly. And there is at least one confirmed (as opposed to apocryphal) case of this causing the loss of a ship - in the 1880s the German Navy switched from old style to new style helm orders, and it was confusion of the two conventions which led to the armoured ships KAISER and GROSSER KURFURST colliding, and the latter sinking with heavy loss of life.

not according to Wiki it wasn't.

So before the change, in order to turn to starboard, which even then required the wheel to be turned to the right, as now, the order was then 'Turn to port"?

Think of the way you move a tiller to turn to starboard - that was the old-pattern convention (dating back to when ships were steered by whipstaff). The change to giving orders in terms of the way the wheel needed to be turned came from the second half of the 19th century onwards, and could lead to confusion if a newly-trained officer gave a hurried order to a veteran helmsman, or an old-school officer barked incautiously at a new-trained helm..

Correction to earlier post: The rammer in the collision was the KONIG WILHELM (not the KAISER). The rammee was the GROSSER KURFURST, as stated. The latter sank. Witness accounts attest to the confusion over helm orders (as covered in several contemporary accounts).

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I am no expert but to me Starboard 20 seems as likely as not to me to mean putting a 20 degree angle on the rudder rather than adding 20 degrees to the previous direction of travel.