Redundant soil Outlet to be covered

[Moggs]

Hi=20

In my 1909 house , the downstairs toilet closet was "semi outside" that is= , it was within the rear wall of the house but opened onto a short covered= walkway and then to the outside rear of the house.

I decommissioned the toilet and small sink some years ago and the closet ha= s since been a "glory hole." There is just the vertical ceramic soil pipe = just above floor level remaining of the toilet system. I did , again some years ago ,purchase a proper plastic two piece, screw on= , blank to seal the soil pipe. However the plastic collar part was just a l= ittle too big for the diameter of the ceramic pipe. Therefore so far, the s= oil pipe has been blanked off by just a plastic bag with newspaper in it be= ing gently wedged in the pipe mouth. There have been no problems with odour= or other=20 nasty things.

I now intend to incorporate this closet area within the Kitchen area. This will involve internal wall demolition but before this I need to dig ou= t and raise the floor level of the closet and walkway up to the higher leve= l of the kitchen floor with DPC,insulation,concrete etc.

So this will permanently cover the soil outlet and this is issue.

In principle , is this ok ? & How ? just concrete over ? Try to get another size plastic cover ? or maybe grind out the ceramic pipe= a little to to get this one to fit . & concrete over the screw on cap. Of course the screw on nature of the cap suggests that this is really inte= nded for occasional access . Any thoughts or suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks=20

Moggs =20

[Bob Minchin]

it was within the rear wall of the house but opened onto a short covered walkway and then to the outside rear of the house.

since been a "glory hole." There is just the vertical ceramic soil pipe just above floor level remaining of the toilet system.

blank to seal the soil pipe. However the plastic collar part was just a little too big for the diameter of the ceramic pipe. Therefore so far, the soil pipe has been blanked off by just a plastic bag with newspaper in it being gently wedged in the pipe mouth. There have been no problems with odour or other

and raise the floor level of the closet and walkway up to the higher level of the kitchen floor with DPC,insulation,concrete etc.

little to to get this one to fit . & concrete over the screw on cap.

intended for occasional access .

I've had success with this method. Put a strong plastic bag a few inches into the opening and fill with cotton or woollen (not synthetics!)dry rag. Add water to the bag to swell the rag and close the bag with a tie and cut off any surplus plastic. Fill to the top of the pipe with fine concrete.

[Kenny]

Fill it full of cement and forget it

[Tim Watts]

On Tuesday 05 February 2013 12:11 Moggs wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Ball up some newspaper tightly and ram in the pipe and push down to the first bend.

Fill with concrete.

The balled newspaper is unlikely to break up and get into the rest of the draisn, but if it does, it will be fairly harmless.

BTW - I did exactly this for a similar reason.

[Tim Watts]

On Tuesday 05 February 2013 12:40 Kenny wrote in uk.d-i-y:

But plug it with paper first so you do not get any bits of loose concrete getting into the rest of the drains.

[Moggs]

Thanks everyone. That is all very reassuring and just what I wanted to hear= .

regards=20

Moggs=20

is, it was within the rear wall of the house but opened onto a short cover= ed walkway and then to the outside rear of the house.

has since been a "glory hole." There is just the vertical ceramic soil pipe= just above floor level remaining of the toilet system.

on, blank to seal the soil pipe. However the plastic collar part was just a= little too big for the diameter of the ceramic pipe. Therefore so far, the= soil pipe has been blanked off by just a plastic bag with newspaper in it = being gently wedged in the pipe mouth. There have been no problems with odo= ur or other=20

out and raise the floor level of the closet and walkway up to the higher le= vel of the kitchen floor with DPC,insulation,concrete etc.

pe a little to to get this one to fit . & concrete over the screw on cap.

tended for occasional access .

[Brian Gaff]

I'd have thought that the remains of the back in future times may well drop and might block the lower pipe. Of course it may well be that this is just a spur off of the main pipe, so would not matter, but if its a T joint it might be a problem. Brian

[Kenny]

I always put rubble down before any concreting. I forget this place requires step by step instuctions.

[Kenny]

You'd leave the concrete without support if/when the bag rotted, which would lead to 'lid' failing eventually.

[polygonum]

Does the pipe still enter the drains somewhere?

If so, I'd want to tackle that end.

[Tim Watts]

On Tuesday 05 February 2013 19:02 Kenny wrote in uk.d-i-y:

"Rubble" - yes, that's a good idea if you want random crap creeping into your working drains.

This is *why* I was explicit, because your advice is inadvisable at best.

[Kenny]

Another keyboard builder eh?

[Tim Watts]

On Tuesday 05 February 2013 20:50 Kenny wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Hardly...

But you wouldn't know that, having been here 5 minutes...

[Jim K]

another dodgy "pro" with time on his hands?

Jim K