Humans are pretty effective carriers either directly or indirectly of
most of those.
So in scientific terms, most mammals can carry most of these pathogens
In emotional terms, rats are perceived to be a major carrier, whether
or not the numbers actually stack up.
As long as we understand that this is actually an emotional argument
and that we should therefore kill rats, that's OK.
However, we really shouldn't kid ourselves that this a statistically
You are not painting a very pretty picture of yourself. You resort to
meaningless insults because you don't have any rational argument to
offer. Foxes and rats are vermin both in normal usage of our supposedly
common language and as a matter of law.
Humans are competing for territory with the rest of the animal kingdom
and differ only in that the rest of the species give no quarter when the
chips are down. Of course our ancestors have made a mess of the planet
and most of their descendants are bent on continuing the process but
that after all is inherent in human nature. It is those who see animals
as equal species with equal rights that are both out of step with the
majority and a continuing danger to the rest of us. Those who would give
rights only to the animals they think fluffy and cuddly (like the
aforementioned Tony Banks) are nothing more than clueless hypocrites.
Knowledge that foxes feel pain has long been known but I doubt very much
whether it has been proved that they feel the same intensity of pain
that we do or indeed in the present climate it would be possible to
determine that experimentally. Among humans there is apparently some
evidence that not all types feel the same intensity of pain.
Anyone who thinks that the safety of animals is as important as the
safety of children is obviously unbalanced. Comparing animal abusers
with child rapists does rather give you away.
Last bit true. I know of no study that shows that anyone feels pain to the
same extent as me (can be extended as a view for any human) nor that is
capable of distinguishing between the pain felt by other humans and other
mammals. You say you "doubt whether it has been proved ...". It hasn't. But
that applies equally to all mammals including humans. I know of no way of
distinguishing other than "this is my species" which is merely an extension of
"this is my sex", "this is my nation", "this is my race" - with the implied
follow on "and everything/one else is of lower worth".
You're conflating two ideas - and refer to the one that I didn't address. My
comment intended to relate solely to the mindset of the perpetrator - not the
victim. To repeat the statement:
Do think such people should be allowed in society without treatment or
This is separate from any legal sanction that you think might be appropriate
to deal with those indulging in child abuse, animal cruelty, &c though society
might wish to have one solution follow on the other.
NB It has been noted that child abusers, rapists, serial murderers, &c that
take their pleasure from inflicting pain do sometimes begin by inficting pain
on animals. It's what we allow them to get away with.
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