Question on hot water from combi

Have a combi gas boiler running hot water and heating.

When I have a shower water is more then warm enough. water from the taps is hotter than I can take.

When wife takes a bath she complains it starts to run cool when bath is approx third full! I only have showers so dont know.

Assuming she is correct what are possible causes (new to combi boiler) I suggested turning on hot tap at less than full capacity so giving the water a slower flow rate hence should heat better.

Any ideas or is it just a woman thing. :-)

thanks

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SS
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Could be a number of things!!

How old is the system ?

Pipework could be furred up ?

Thermostat faulty ?

Boiler insufficient for the capacity of water needed?

Reply to
Ray

Tell her that by using less hot water she is saving the planet

Then get yourself a beer

Tony

Reply to
TMC

boiler 6 months old, pipework 20 years old but worked ok with old boiler.

Boiler is correct size for system.

Reply to
SS

Is the combi one with a small store in it (or not so small in some cases)? In this case, that may be the point where the hot store store runs out. Combis aren't great for filling baths at full flow.

Reply to
Andrew Gabriel

What you describe is fairly normal - the incoming cold water is much colder and the boiler is struggling to cope with the flow. Yes - get her to reduce the tap opening - especially when first filling the bath.

Reply to
John

Thanks for the replies `wife` has now been briefed on how to use it :-) Hopefully she will listen to others and give my ears a rest!

Reply to
SS

In message , John writes

Shouldn't matter, a 6 month old boiler will be modulating

It SHOULD provide hot water for as long as there is a demand

OP - get the installer in and tell them there is a problem

Reply to
geoff

Limited to the maximum power output of the boiler though... No standard combi is going to be able to keep pace will a half decent cold water main at this time of the year.

Reply to
John Rumm

What is a standard combi in your eyes?

Reply to
Doctor Drivel

One without storage, and one that will also run on a domestic gas supply

- so 50kW tops, 40kW being a more typical maximum.

Reply to
John Rumm

Irelevant. A combis is all in one box.

A 50 kW combi will more than cope with current main water temperatures.

Reply to
Doctor Drivel

Did I say it wasn't?

As indicated by the details given by the OP, his combi is not one with a built in unvented cylinder (lets face it, the *vast* majority of combis that people have fitted aren't either).

say you have a reasonably decent mains supply that can do 30 lpm, lets say its 5C, and you want to lift it to 45C, that's 40x4200x30=5MJ/min or

84kW.

What does "more than cope with" mean in your language?

Perhaps you should get in that cold bath now that your 50kW combi has taken the chill off the water.

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John Rumm

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Don't go quoting reality. It only serves to confuse him

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cynic

Get in the bath with her to check it out?

Reply to
F

Don't go quoting reality. It only serves to confuse him

Reply to
Doctor Drivel

Chav, if it is all in one box it is a combi.

Some have small storage vessels. Soem have integral heat banks.

A domestic gas supply can give 64kW.

No combi of 50kW can give 30 litres min flowrate at 35C temp rise. Even if your mains gives 30 litres/min when using an unvented cylinder you will not get 30 litres from the DHW tap, more like 22 litres/min.

You haven't much of a clue. Look at a 51kW ATAG with a small integral store. Rated at 25 litres/min @ 35C temp rise, that match unvented cylinders and deliver more DHW. Ethos at 54 kW. Both will cope with two bathrooms.

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Doctor Drivel

So we are in agreement then. Good.

Indeed. Those with (i.e. a tiny minority of installed units) with integral heat banks or unvented cylinders can deliver higher flow rates for a period. Not disputing that, however I am sure you can see from the OPs post that this is not the type of boiler in question here.

(for completeness, the ones with internal small storage vessels (>>> and one that will also run on a domestic gas supply - so 50kW tops,

So, like I said not enough. Especially if sharing it with other gas appliances.

(cue some retarded nonsense about complicated interlocks to turn off your cooker every time the boiler fires...)

Even if that were the case every time (which obviously its not), your unvented cylinder will be delivering water at well above a 40C rise, and hence you bath filling will also include mixing cold. The combination of both taps will comfortably cope with 30lpm.

The wooshing sound you hear is the clue flapping past your head, dear boy. No one is denying that there are combis about that perform better than others. However that is not what was being discussed, so pratteling on about them is not helping anyone.

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John Rumm

The results may be less than impressive if the water is that cold ;-)

Reply to
John Rumm

Good you are learning.

You are not on about his boiler you were generalising.

They are to improve speed of DHW at the tap - reduces the cold lag.

Wrong. More than enough

F**ing idiot Chav.

It will? Speaketh the know-it-all Chav with no experinece.

You are. You have this Chav notion of your standard combi.

Yep eff off and go to sleep. Useless Chav.

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Doctor Drivel

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