Photograph from locket

Jan 28, 2017 32 Replies

"harry" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com...

I'd love to know the circumstances of the photograph being taken. As far as we know, she was from a fairly poor mill-worker family, so how did they get the money to have a studio portrait made? Did their friends and relatives think that they were mad to "waste" all their money on a "likeness"? What was the occasion when it was taken, a few years before her 21st birthday?

My grandpa has written a brief family tree showing the line back from me to her, and he's written "Aged 18 on photo" which I've crossed out and written "16-17" and "1855-6" - I *think* I may have found a date on the photo somewhere. Her first child was born in 1867, so this was about 10 years before she got married, given that children usually followed pretty close after marriage, in the days before family planning ;-) My dad's got all the family tree research which would give much more info.

The photo was left to me by my great grandma who died when I was about 13, so I remember her - weird to think how old and frail she seemed compared with mum who is now about the age that great grandma was when I remember her. We've got a cherished recording that my dad made of great grandma and grandpa (her son) talking about life when they were growing up. They both witnessed a tram crash at the bottom of a steep hill in Dewsbury, and grandpa remembered "a ball of rags" rolling across the cobbles just before the tram hit the bank, as the conductress bailed out. Great grandma remembered having to live with her grandparents (the woman in the photo and her very strict husband) because "I was sickly and hadn't to climb hills" - and her grandparents lived at the top of a long hill near her school whereas she and her parents lived at the bottom of the hill; her grandpa made her drink cod liver oil every morning after breakfast which invariably made her throw up ("so the efficacy of your breakfast was somewhat doubtful - cos it didn't stop down long enough to do any good" Grandpa commented, in his rather flowery language). Her grandfather wouldn't let his wife wear a dress that she'd bought by installments until it was fully paid for ("makes a mockery of grandma's mail order catalogue", grandpa commented about my grandma being an agent for Empire Stores mail order). Grandpa remembered taking his dad's lunch to the iron foundry where he worked, and seeing a fight between two men (one of whom turned out be his dad) on top of a gantry next to the red-hot furnace chimney, when one man had gone "mad" due to carbon monoxide poisoning and my great grandpa climbed up to wrestle the guy to the ground before he fell off and killed himself. Another occasion he walked into the foundry yard with his dad's lunch and saw a horse that was pulling a dray killed when a huge casting dropped from a crane several feet from my grandpa. And so on, for two hours, one story after another.

What would they (even my grandpa, who died in 1979) have made of computers and the internet, and all the social changes that there have been. Ruth Dyson, in the photo, died in 1910, so she never knew about the horrors of WW One, or that several of her grandsons fought and were killed in it - or that one of her relatives fell on hard times after being widowed and had to resort to "earning her living on her back", as you might say :-)

It was suggested on a TV program recently that wars boosted photography. People going to war wanted a picture of their loved ones. The Crimea war was 1853/6.

After getting the photo,an expert or even not(if you learn how) can then enhance and add to it with gimp or that commercial one.

There's lots of stuff I wish I'd asked my parents before the died. And grandparents come to that. We were very poor though I never realised it at the time. Most people were the same.

When I was a kid, there were lots of single women about with no husbands. Not enough men to go round after the war. They lived sad and lonely lives. I never knew they had trams in Dewsbury. (I was born in Huddersfield)

I've twiddled the brightness/contrast in Irfanview which has helped a bit.

Owain

I could see these earlier, but Tinypic isn't letting me in now. My impression was that you might have captured just about all that you are going to get.

If you've got the photos out of the locket, you've got the opportunity to use a scanner without the problems of a) images not being directly on the glass and therefore being out of focus; b) looking through glass of the locket.

The photos you've taken here look out of focus - and I think it's your camera rather than the prints which is out of focus, given that the heart-shaped borders are out of focus too. But a scanner should not suffer from that problem. Make sure you use the lid of the scanner to press the photos flat on the glass.

A scanner may well give better results than photographing with a camera - even with a better lens - because it will make sure that the whole field of view is equally sharp, whereas cameras tend to go out of focus at the corners if you are photographing a flat plane at a close distance.

Good luck.

Typical, it has started working now. Given their size, they are not bad at all. Your focus could be improved, but I still think there might not be very much more detail in the original. As you point out elsewhere, tweaking brightness / contrast may find a little bit more.

The macro ability of compacts does vary quite a bit. It's probably worth increasing the distance until the edge of the photos is sharp. While you lose on pixels you may gain more on focus. Was this hand-held? Even if you don't have a tripod or a copying stand you may be able to rest the camera on two small stacks of books, then use the delay timer so that camera shake settles out before the exposure. More light is another thing which may help, it will shorten the exposures and may increase the f-number. You might try a couple of small halogen desk lights or LED torches at 45 degrees, and in opposite directions. The flash is probably in the wrong position for macro, but you may be able to scatter it towards the object with a little bit of white card at an angle, or tissue or cotton wool. Also, use the lowest ISO that you can.

Agreed, the scanner should be good for keeping them flat and the illumination will be even. Use it in "flat-bed" mode, though. Don't try to use a sheet feeder! If you can adjust the resolution, try something like 600 dpi. That will give you huge files for A4, but a smart scanner may be able to ignore the blank area. If not, it's easy to crop that out using Paint. Worth scanning both in colour and in grey-scale.

It will *probably* save files as JPEG. .PNG and .TIF may be useful formats. .BMP files are huge because they don't use compression algorithms. In theory, you may lose some detail with the compression of a JPEG, in practice it may be very hard to detect any difference.

Yes.

I've also tried with the 7 MP camera on the tablet which gives fairly good results.

Sadly the urgency of the request (for elderly relative) no longer applies.

Owain

With something that small you don't want any compression.

Given the funding cuts, I've no idea what the OP may find available in his library. Yes, ideally you'd want a raw file from a full frame DSLR with a 1:1 macro lens. But that may not be an option.

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