Part P(the first year)

[robkgraham]

I take it is not happening yet as I've a brnd new Carbtree fused switch with no date info on it.

Rob

[John]

Manufacturers "may" apply a date stamp but its very unlikely to be really indellible............

[Andy Hall]

Is there really any evidence to suggest that this would be used as a policing mechanism anyway?

It seems very implausible that it would unless Something Bad were to happen and BCOs took on a forensic role.

Realistically, in the normal run of things, are they going to bother?

It isn't as though one can have detector vans, is it?

[Owain]

With RFID tags embedded in the product during manufacture, who knows.

Owain

[Alan]

Do you really believe that with electrical goods from the Peoples Republic of China the tags will conform to any UK standard?

I'm sure that I could obtain _any_ electrical component with false manufacturing date, or tag, within a few minutes of searching for a foreign supplier on the web.

[somebody]

In message , michaelangelo7 writes

From personal experience....

1: I've seen some really dodgy electrics. If it stops that then great.

2: Since Part P I've seen end users with really dodgy electrics turn a blind eye and continue on, where previously it would have been sorted.

My uneducated/personal view is it will actually make things worse - people avoiding having work done even when they know it needs doing.

"Part P - the resulting problem is probably bigger than that which it attempts to solve". Someone

[Dave Stanton]

Cowboys will be cowboys despite Part P.

Dave

[John Anderton]

I've got two sheds, one's wired up properly (all wires secured in ducting, separate sockets and lighting rings etc.) the other isn't (wires just tacked to shed walls, everything off one spur etc.).

I'd like to sort out the latter shed and, in pre Part P days, probably would have done it by now but every time I look at it, I think, "is it worth bothering with ?" and find something else to do,

Cheers,

John

[John]

Come on this is Earth calling! Putting devices in parts costing less than a tenner and only to help fat jags isn't on the cards just yet I hope

[Mike Harrison]

and will get more customers because of the increased costs arising from Prat P

[Richard Conway]

To true. I have situation in my house where I discovered a run of cable running well outside the permitted zones (comes up from the floor, behind some architrave and up to the loft embedded in plaster. Technically I can't do anything about it, but at least I know its there. If some poor bugger buys the house off us and replaces the door using longer screws in the hinges I dread to think what will happen.

[Chip]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:14:35 +0000,it is alleged that Richard Conway spake thusly in uk.d-i-y:

The cable would become damaged, and thus be eligible for replacement without notifying building control? :-)

[Richard Conway]

Yes, but the person screwing the hinge on may also become damaged.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Alan saying something like:

Ooh, thousands by this time, I would think.

[Tim S]

This is a rather interesting statistic I've just worked out for myself on the realities of Part P.

I've just discovered, due to looking for a house to buy, that Maidstone (Kent) Borough Council have their Buildings Control Dept online - including a searchable applications database.

Now, according to one document, Maidstone Borough has an estimated 52,300 private dwellings, including the town and rural surrounds, which include dozens of villages and hamlets.

Source[1] [PDF]

for building notices containing the word "electrical" brings up

49 matches. There are 2 additional results for "Part P" that do not mention "electrical". So about 51 BNAs for electrical work in isolation to any other work.

So in a year or so, only one in a thousand dwellings in Maidstone Borough had notifiable electrical work done either as DIY or by non-self-cert electrician.

Likely?

Or not?

Cheers

Tim

PS

See for yourself[2]:

Longform URLS:

[1]

[John Rumm]

Yup interesting. Which way will the trend go I wonder?

I just did another search on that almost equally pointless bit of legislation:

Number of applications for a replacement window: 50 (which probably represents a higher application rate than for part P since I expect less people do their own windows.

[Tim S]

It is isn't it!

I did that too and found a similar result, but there are a lot more for "replacement windows" - the search engine isn't very forgiving. A bit harder to discern as some were due to replacing load bearing frames - but it still seems a bit low.

Searching on "replacement windows" by calendar year on the registration date, I found:

2003: 138 2004: 979 !!! 2005: 334

So, I'm going to tentatively interpret that as:

2003 - Part L - wot that then? 2004 - Solicitors asking for paperwork on sale of house in 2003 scares people. 2005 - Solicitors stop caring and the panic subsides. I know a local parish councillor who just bought a new house who was not aware of Part L in relation to windows until I told him and I'd expect him to be a bit better informed than many. Ergo, a lot of the general public still don't know/don't care anyway.

I searched on "drains" too and found next to nothing, just a few, the majority of which were connections to the main sewer.

Now, the missing statistic: what percentage of dwellings do you reckon do notifiable DIY/none-self-cert handyman jobs in a year?

1 in a 1000 seems awfully low. Now, as to the demographics of this part of Kent: lots of well off types who don't DIY and would pay a top class firm to do their jobs. However, there are also loads of property owning builders round my way who do DIY their own houses, and less well off people who probably would. The rate of serious DIY seems lower amongst the middle classes than when I lived in Banstead, Surrey. Though that's also comparing the 70's with now. Is heavy duty DIY less popular now than then?

Tim

[John Rumm]

Yup, sorry forgot to say I restricted my search to 2005 only. I also only searched for "replacement window"

[Ed Sirett]

I dunno if this is relevant or not but I'm putting in a self-cert-notification for about 25% of the properties I work at. About one third of those notification would be for some Part-P work. More often as not they are for the boiler controls in the kitchen.

[Doctor Drivel]

So, you have not done the Part P Corgi course then? You can replace but not install new cable to boilers. Only from the fused Spur.