OT: Speculation as to reason for the Florida high-rise collapse.

Jun 27, 2021 Last reply: 5 years ago 54 Replies

That should have been picked up by site supervisors, who should have passed it upstairs in order to clear themselves.

Bill

SE England as a whole is pivoting into the Channel while Scotland rises. Scandinavia is rising, too, all this as a result of the interglacial.

If it is mainly recycled piss, why is it so hard.

Sweden gets about a hectare of new land every year according to BBC Coast when Mr Umbrella filmed there. There are beaches in Scotland that are now many meters inland and well above sea level.

Post-glacial isostatic rebound, even noticeable in the UK tide gauge record. From BODC data for Lerwick tide gauge, between 1957 and 1999 mean sea level had risen 30 mm relative to the rising land there. But for Portsmouth between 1962 and 2002, the sea level relative to isostatic sinking Portsmouth ,had a 170mm rise.

Simply taking the average of 30 and 170mm and over about 40 years, gives a ball-park figure of sea level rise around the UK over those decades to be about 2.5mm per year, much like the global figure for those decades.

I would expect that in part, due to wind blown salt spray near the coast.

Get real. Also, it did not really matter so long as the panel below was in place, it's only when a gas explosion blew a couple of them out that it mattered.

And IIRC Ronan Point was not the place with the HAC problem, that was something like a school gym that had relatively long spans, so that the greater shrinkage of HAC meant that spans were no longer, er, spanning.

Because the calcium and magnesium goes through you?

"Upstairs" would pass it back down as they are only interested in their share options, not the grubby details of construction.

Many tower blocks of council flats were wrecked from the inside (largely by abuse) and have subsequently (and consequently) been demolished.

But the halcyon day of the tower block was during the period circa 1955

- 1970, when they were built as new homes for alleged slum-dwellers.

Incidentally, there are cities in the world where (privately-owned) tower blocks are regarded as very ritzy.

Like electric underfloor heating that no-one could afford to use so they used paraffin heaters.

drinking it dies not remove the chalk from it I guess. Yep. drink hard water, piss calcium.

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"... Already, experts are drawing a direct connection between the rise of sea levels caused by climate change and the susceptibility of Miami?s coastal construction. Professor Peng noted in an interview that salt water accumulation around a building can lead to rusty decay absorbing the steel of the structure. The consequences include instances of corrosion so severe that it may cause many buildings to not be able to handle the weight and eventually succumb to a pancake freefall.

Sea level rise has coincided with persistent king tide flooding and changes in soil consistency. Flooding has become such a frequent reality that Miami residents have become used to seeing their cars flooded inside garages and water seeping up from drains onto roads, even on clear weather days. A 2019 analysis by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration found that high-tide flooding in 2018 broke records at more than a dozen locations throughout the US, including Miami and Cedar Key on the Gulf Coast. This has coincided with international trends, with global sea levels rising about one inch every eight years. ..."

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Sea level rise or land level sinking due to excessive water extraction for domestic purposes? The net result is the same, of course, but there's no reason why net sea levels around Florida should be rising any faster than anywhere else, so not attributable to climate change. It would be happening without that. Too many people retiring to Florida and needing water.

A 2020 Florida University study found that most of the land in Miami was not sinking appreciably, apart from a few low lying areas. The sinking of the tower block that fell was a notable exception to the general rule for its area.

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