OT. Solar PV

[tony sayer]

As does coal mining.. Not so many now but a fair old troll in the past..

[tony sayer]

In what way?..

Abuse; tut tut!..

So just how would you provide for the UK power needs then

[tony sayer]

Less abuse harry and realistic answers please...

[tony sayer]

ISTR a few posts back you weren't that confident of yours;?..

[Tony Bryer]

Numbskulls with staple guns stapling the foil insulation to cables!

[polygonum]

Indeed - concentration didn't so much waver as dropout.

[charles]

you mean washed away by a tsunami, I presume.

Ever heard of Aberfan?

[Tim Lamb]

Sounds exciting:-)

regards

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[Chris J Dixon]

I did wonder about being outlasted by the PV, but in that case I am hardly likely to be in a position to know. OTOH, the longer I am around, the better a decision it will be seen to have been.

Chris

[hugh]

Aberfan was in no way similar to what happened in Japan. The tragedy was restricted to one small location with no lasting threat such as in the case of a nuclear leak or explosion. There was no power station involved. No explosion. No threat to the local population other than those poor souls in the school.

For those not familiar with Aberfan, it was a tragedy brought about by an unstable colliery waste tip which collapsed during heavy rain and engulfed the local school.

[tony sayer]

Harry .. get real they would only provide like wind does now a very small percentage of our energy needs..

Yes better insulation is all well and good and on new build that is specified better but its not answering long term energy demands..

No thats why we need our own Nuclear facilities..

Like the French have foreseen..

We are dealing with that OK..

We need to get on with making it work..

Its OK deep buried where it is..

[tony sayer]

Well its not rocket science. But all in all are your panels going to last?.

And the FIT is unsustainable..

Just another misguided thing the government have foisted on us..

[Huge]

Wrong on both counts. The NCB spent a lot of money removing, lowering & stabilising other colliery waste tips after Aberfan.

[The Natural Philosopher]

er the only threat is in fact to Fukushima power plant . No one else is at risk any more..

There was no power station

well I am sure the aberfan survivors will e delighted to know that the coal being mined there was not going to a nuclear power station or indeed a coal power station.

Let me get this straight, if a container carrying fuel rods splits open on a railway ion the midlands and kills 50 people its not a problem, because it wasn't anything to do with a power station?

Wow, even I wouldn't claim that.

Right so when that fuel rod container splits open and smashes 50 people and some die from radiation its no problem, because there was no explosion.

I am sure the aberfan survivors are delighted that they didn't die in an explosion, but were instead merely lucky not to be buried alive.

No threat to the local population other than

I cannot believe I am reading this. If those poor souls were not the local population just who the f*ck is?

Fukushima has not killed a single person in the local population, nor will it, not by explosion not be smothering in coal shit, not by falling ion their heads. And especially not by radiation.

But somehow this is infinitely worse than 50 kids getting suffocated to death in one of the most horrific ways as a direct result of a coal accident intimately associated with power production, because 'there was no explosion' and 'it only affected 50 people'

For those not familiar with Fukushima, it was a small release of radioactivity caused by an unprecedented tsunami that killed 27,000 people and devastated a whole country. The nuclear power plant itself killed no one at all, that the tsunami had not already killed.

Radiation levels are already - apart from a couple of areas easily cleaned up, and the power station itself - well within safety limits and a lot less than Dartmoor is.

Technical cold shutdown will be achieved by Christmas and the people will go back.

Rebuilding Japan will take 20 years. Fukushima will be decommissioned before the tsunami damage is fully repaired elsewhere.

[tony sayer]

So where in that is there the real problem then?..

And the problem with the nuclear industry is NIMBYS the man in the street most of which understand almost nothing about nuclear energy apart from the Green wash hysteria....

[hugh]

Eh?

So?

[dennis]

That would explain why they had to move all the spoil heaps, they didn't present any danger.

[hugh]

Read what's there not what you want to think is there.

Just as officially Windscale/Seascale/Sellafield hasn't.

I didn't say it was. Again read what's there and in the context in which it is said

You see you are so keen on shouting at others now you are wrong. It didn't devastate a "whole country" only part of it.

Of course you are only quoting the official statistics just like they did after Wind scale.

Nissan car production in Japan in 2011 has already exceeded production in 2010

[hugh]

In message , tony sayer writes

The FIT is perfectly sustainable as it is being paid by other consumers not by government AIUI

[tony sayer]

In article , hugh scribeth thus

Precisely.. The industry wouldn't do it unless the govvermint made them!...