OT but my irritation is boiling over.
Whenever this important topic of hospital cleaning is mentioned on the news we are shown images of corridor floor being cleaned.
What I want from a hospital cleaning service is: Clean equipment, clean door handles and light switches, taps, toilet seats, chairs, beds, cupboards, bed tables, etc - the things that people can touch with germ covered hands.
I think that a modern hospital would fall to pieces if it were steamed cleaned. Drylined studwork walls are not up to it.
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I had one of my factories plastered with a plaster designed for hospital use. It replaced the cement skim previously used in hospitals and is very impact resistant.
Colin Bignell
In message , John writes
probably because to film patients would require permission from them and their RMO in addition to the hospital management.
In message , nightjar writes
Obviously not used in the hospitals I frequent then.
Polypropylene cladding as used in food factories? That can be steam cleaned without difficulty.
Copying "Lloyds building" for all services on the outside, requires a huge amount more land tho. Allows the "entire building to be steam cleaned", removes ceiling tiles & assocated services etc.
Many do not look particularly well designed, I think we have only just managed to avoid the "airborne sneeze in one ward ends up next door".
I reckon patient's notes are the worst for this. Trollied from place to place, handled by lots of people many of whom are not in the vicinity of the patient so not inclined to wash hands between each set of notes.
Agreed - germ ridde clipboards. Do they get a clean? Probably not - you can't do it with a sit-on machine.
It shouldn't really, because the building inside can be made a bit smaller because all the services are on the outside... I doubt with the cost of land in London there was much wasted space on the Lloyds building.
There is very little that can't be cleaned and disinfected with a scrubbing brush, detergent and bleach.
As you say, food factories (usually) manage it, and they're often
24-hour processes.Owain
I asked why they had them, and not a simple hand held barcode scanner and keyboard carried by every nurse..just scan the barcode to the bed or on the patents arm..voila! full details.
Would seem to make more sense than a billion pound computer system that doesn't even work..
Although the concentration of bleach recommended in the WHO disinfection manual is rather high and, if you use it, the room is not very habitable for a while after. Good practice also calls for a minimum of two different types of disinfection agent, used alternately. In our clean room, we used bleach and alcohol wipes.
Colin Bignell
Perhaps because that is the dirty part. Not only is street dirt trailed in on feet, but all the bits of human skin and hair, with their attached bacteria, end up there too.
Human to human contact is generally a much greater risk. When I used to make medical devices, the staff did not need to wear gloves because the amount of bioburden transferred to the product from their hands, which we tested on every batch, was at least a couple of orders of magnitude below that needed for successful sterilisation. It was not unusual for the lab to be unable to grow anything from the hard surface swabs taken in the room.
Colin Bignell
What amazes me is that everything is put onto cleaning, surely that is only part, everyone involved in hospitals should be more involved. When visiting it is not uncommon to see several children sitting and playing around the sick persons bed, nurses wear their uniforms outside the hospital. Perhaps it is time to go back to the old ways, strict times for visiting, maximum of two people per patients and staff must change out of uniform when going off duty. Not popular, but I think necessary.
It was not unusual for the lab to be unable to
It's not only stuff that grows that can be a problem.... toxins & pyrogens for instance.
Some of this is creeping in to our local hospital. But I still have concerns about things like plugs, handles and drip stands. (Incidentally - why do nurses always thump a 13 amp plug so that it eventually breaks the socket? Is it a woman thing - or a professional standard?
(Incidentally - why do
Must be a woman thing, my wife insists on fully tightening the sink taps thus knackering the tap washers.
I think you underestimate the quantity of data that's being moved. (Though the system I use most does seem to process data at a speed a Burroughs B800 would be ashamed of.)
How many people wander around with toxins on their hands at sufficiently high levels for a transfer from them to an inanimate object, followed by a transfer from that to another human, followed by a transfer to a patient at a level that will be a hazard to a patient? If there are any, they probably won't be wandering around long.
Colin Bignell
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