New gridwatch

Isn't that a bit subjective?

They haven't stopped me from using the data.

I believe it's a public funded thing.

That surely is a benefit.

You are concerned at 0.040GW from OCGT but if Harry is to be believed there are by now more than 90,000 domestic PV installations. At 4KW that would be a maximum output of 0.360GW (or have I got the decimal point in the wrong place?) That might not be measurable as it is all consumed locally but that amount is surely more significant than a figure a factor of 10 smaller even if it doesn't register on your radar.

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Well I'd be interested if my supplier wasn't paying their bills, especially as they seem to push smartmeters, which means all their customers *could* be remotely disconnected.

Yes..?

That is unlikely now. There is more generation in and around London than there ever has been, the grid is also a lot more resiliant within London (cable upgrades and upping the voltage from 275 to 400kV on some circuits)

Er, no. There is almost NO power generation left in London *whatsoever*.

Only Barking is left IIRC and Enfield.

From around 20 power stations in the 60's only two are still operating.

The big stuff is miles away..

theres a smidgeon at Woking and Croydon.

that may be true, but if it cant be generated it can't be transmitted.

London is woefully dependent on power stations MILES away - like 60, 70,

The big nukes are all coastal estuarine. The poxy windmills are really in scotland or of the S.E coast, and do f*ck all anyway.

When you look a serious power you think Drax - enough to power almost all of London. But nowhere near it. Oh no. Cant have all that nasty coal in London.

Unless there are problems with the overhead line that runs along the North Wales coast then it is safe to assume that Dinorwig doesn't pump from about 6am to 10pm, but its a bit more complicated than that and has been for a while.

The closure of Anglesey Aluminium a couple of years ago, which was the only major load in that area, means that voltage control, due to the lightly loaded overhead lines can be a concern. So they sometimes simultaneously pump and generate at Dinorwig. Yes, it sounds crazy I know!

Once Wylfa shuts next year Dinorwig will revert back to its previous role.

Or that the Magnox generation is now 'end of life' and the f*****ts in governement twenty odd years ago privatised the electricity and gas sectors.

I'll miss Wylfa.

Its appalling that we are shutting old nuclear and not getting on with new.

Those old Magnox plants have paid for themselves many times over.

yeah..I looked up the nuke situation on wiki..two plants running at 70% because the boilers aren't up to the full crack..two due to close in

How 'green' is that? We burn coal so the Krauts and Danes can get smug about 'their' carbon footprints. Not that they are any better than ours, frankly.

I meant - if we happened to lose 2-3 big generators, wouldn't it be

Doesn't even fit on my widescreen 1280x800 lenovo T61!

Barking CCGT having a damn sight higher output than the combined output of all that has existed on the site before, its not far off the previous combined output of Barking, Bankside and Battersea!

Not to make any difference

London probably has more supergrid route miles by area than anywhere else in the UK, except maybe Sheffield which has a very extensive

Nowhere near that far out! I did say in and *around* London

Within 40 miles of Charing Cross, and often a lot closer:

Rye House (0.7GW) Gas Kingsnorth 2GW (Coal/Oil) Grain A 1.2GW (Oil - was once 3GW - or was it 2.4 couldn't recall if they ever finished the last unit after the laggers strike) Grain B 1.3GW (Gas) Littlebrook 1.4GW (Oil) Barking 1GW (Gas) Tilbury 1.4GW (Coal) Enfield 0.4GW (Gas)

Moving a bit further out to 50 miles

Didcot A 2GW (Coal) Didcot B 1.4GW (Gas) Little Barford 0.7GW (Gas)

But, even the ones 50 mile distant from Charing Cross are less than 30 circuit route miles from the very resilient 275kV ring round London.

Rye House + Kingsnorth + Grain A + Grain B + Littlebrook + Barking + Tilbury + Enfield= 9.4GW ... well more than twice that of Drax.

In fact at 9.4GW, that is more than the output of all the coal fired stations in Yorkshire, and 1.5 times that of coal stations on the River Trent, or three times the coal and gas stations on the Mersey and Dee estuaries

I still think they should build a couple of really big nukes close to London though :)

I always thought that Battersea was a good candidate for a nuke. Pete

well that's cos I designed it for ME.

And I have 1680 x 1050, and it cost me a hundred quid to get it. So there. Nah ne nah!

You are PRIVILEGED I let you see it.

:-)

its only a GW

I'll give you that one. Hoddesdon is virtually indistingushable from London

Miles from London. Almost at Dover

Miles from London..bloody estuary kent

Oil and OCGT. Its for emergency use only. Its never used.

Which is in use.

Well biamass tehse days all;egedly. Greens still want o close ity. Missed that one

Didcot ios bloody OXFORD.

Bit lots of ot ios old plant that isn't allowed to be fired up that much.

Battersea. Ideal for a thorium reactor

It fits with room to spare on the right-hand side on my Philips 234EL

etc., but this is the site that his website gets its data from so have a look here as well: