Low Energy bulb : Not suitable for use with dimmers, time switches or photo cells.

Most LE bulbs seem to say: Not suitable for use with dimmers, time switches or photo cells.

I can understand they are not suitable for dimmers, but what is wrong with having a time switch or dawn-to-dusk switch turn such bulbs on and off?

Reply to
Les Desser
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This is because some of these devices need power themselves, and some of them draw power by passing a tiny current through the bulb all the time, which would cause a LE lamp tp flash every now and then.

If you have a time switch or dawn-to-dusk switch that clicks when it turns to load on and off, then this will probably be OK.

Toby...

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Toby

Not really to do with the CFL but the design of the time switch, etc. Many of these are designed to replace a simple light switch so get their neutral feed to their electronics via the tungsten lamp filament. The current is so low that the ordinary bulb doesn't light up. But a CFL doesn't have the same low 'not in use' resistance - so strange things could occur. It's easy enough to switch CFLs with any of these devices but involves some rewiring to provide a dedicated neutral to the switching device and a mechanical relay to do the switching - the coil of the relay replacing the tungsten lamp.

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Dave Plowman (News)

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:34:59 writes

Thank you and Toby for your clear responses which confirms what I thought - that for "proper" circuits there should be no problem.

Reply to
Les Desser

The other trick which allows the use of such bulbs with these devices is to wire a resistor in parallel with the bulb holder. The resistor gives the 'not in use' resistance formerly provided by the bulb.

Reply to
Calvin Sambrook

Snag with that is it will waste energy when the thing switches on.

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Dave Plowman (News)

  1. filament lamp - much worse energy wise, maybe 45w wasted
2.CFL with R, 1w wasted
  1. CFL with no R - same energy waste when off, no waste when on
  2. PIR with relay & CFL - same energy use when off, 1w lost in the relay coil when on

The only way I see to improve on the loss of a resistor is to fit a capacitor instead.

NT

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NT

You can get a capacitor that you wire in parallel with the low energy bulb which allows enough electricity through to power up the dusk to dawn switch.

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bloomin steep if this is a capacitor, I am sure I only paid £2 for mine, pushed in into ceiling cavirty behind ceiling rose.

Downside is the low energy bulbs flicker faintly when off and from what I have read some types of low energy bulbs glow permenantly and have seriously shortened lifetimes.

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Ian_m

Ian_m coughed up some electrons that declared:

Megaman have dimmable CFLs, designed to work with regular dimmers.

Might be worth looking at?

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Tim S

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